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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126901: Apr 19th 2021 at 1:51:16 PM

If they stick the landing with him, this could potentially be the most relatable MCU protagonist yet.

The legend has returned.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126902: Apr 19th 2021 at 1:55:26 PM

from Wandavision, it appears SWORD is that same organization, but they could still have Fury or someone say "nah, SWORD is actually separate from us" at some point.

It seems like Fury is working with SWORD and is in space though.

It doesn't seem like SHIELD is a thing anymore anyway.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 19th 2021 at 5:19:36 AM

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#126903: Apr 19th 2021 at 2:09:29 PM

Random thought, but with the X-Men being introduced to the MCU, I had an idea on how SWORD (which, coincidentally was introduced in the X-books) might have potentially been introduced as the MCU version of Weapon X.

Think about it. SHIELD's purpose is to defend the Earth against super-threats, which is reflected in its name — a shield's purpose is to protect. SWORD in the comics has a similar purpose, but its name suggests otherwise — a sword is a weapon, its purpose is to attack. Jonathan Hickman also made a Retcon that SHIELD originated as one of two organizations, the Brotherhoods of the Shield and the Spear — again, one to protect and one to attack. And while SHIELD is all about protecting Earth from superhumans, Weapon X is all about... well, weaponizing them.

Of course, that isn't the direction the MCU is actually heading, but it's fun for me to think about What Might Have Been.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126904: Apr 19th 2021 at 2:15:18 PM

[up][up] I never said it was SHIELD. What I said was that it's probably wrapped up in whatever the Avengers' organization is now.

The very first other option that could come to mind with Fury in space is that he's doing something with the Skrulls, which is possible given Talos' presence in Far From Home and the fact that Secret Wars, which is why I'm not immediately jumping onto the idea that what we saw was the MCU equivalent of The Peak (S.W.O.R.D headquarters).

Speaking of Talos, it occurs that one of Talos' lines in Far From Home was "everyone is asking where the Avengers are," which gave off the impression that the Avengers hadn't been seen for a long time - maybe even since Endgame. But the tv shows are confirming that at least a couple Avengers are still on Earth, or at least were two months before Endgame. I wonder if Bucky and Sam know what's going on, and are just keeping the secret from the public at the moment.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 19th 2021 at 2:20:53 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126905: Apr 19th 2021 at 2:47:24 PM

Fury faked his death so I assume he’s basically doing whatever he wants

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126906: Apr 19th 2021 at 3:09:00 PM

I'm pretty curious about two moments in the teaser.

First, that scene where Mandarin and young Shang Chi are in a restaurant (?) and Mandarin unleashes his powers. I'm making an assumption here, but it kind of gives me the sense of a mobster sending a message to someone who hasn't paid their protection money in regular installments.

By the way, interesting that the Mandarin wears both modern business attire and "Asiatic warlord gear" at various points.

Also, I'm interested in the scene of young Shang Chi being trained in fighting and having a knife to someone's throat. I can't tell if that's the Mandaring himself or someone else that he's practicing with. If the latter, I wonder if it's one of those things (cf. the Red Room) that ends with Children Forced to Kill.

Speaking of the latter, the page for the movie really needs a Training from Hell entry, because it's abundantly clear that Shang Chi's martial arts training involved that.

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 19th 2021 at 5:09:40 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126907: Apr 19th 2021 at 3:09:46 PM

Think that would be speculative troping.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126908: Apr 19th 2021 at 3:11:42 PM

That makes sense. I know there are some issues with basing tropes on what is scene in a trailer. And I'm not quite sure how I'd approach writing the example. But what with the beatings and punching a tree, the Training from Hell seems pretty straightforward.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126909: Apr 20th 2021 at 1:08:54 AM

Apparently Zach Cherry is in the Shang-Chi bus scene after previously being the "Do a flip" guy in Spider-Man: Homecoming. [lol]

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126911: Apr 20th 2021 at 7:46:56 AM

Yay now he gets to actually do it.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#126914: Apr 20th 2021 at 11:29:46 AM

[up] Calling it, she's going to be Veranke.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#126915: Apr 20th 2021 at 11:37:54 AM

I really don't get why they are going through with Secret Invasion when they went out of their way to portray the Skrulls as refugees and victims from a Genocide.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126916: Apr 20th 2021 at 11:40:36 AM

Maybe there’s a subsection of Skrulls that are huge assholes that we’re just now learning about. I feel like that would make sense.

The legend has returned.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#126917: Apr 20th 2021 at 12:33:36 PM

Ultimate Fantastic Four played with the idea that the Skrulls were peaceful and that the Chitauri were merely an extremist faction that wanted to conquer the galaxy. This turned out to be a complete lie, but it's possible the MCU will do something similar where it turns out that the Skrulls from Captain Marvel are good but there are still extremist factions within the species.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126918: Apr 20th 2021 at 12:58:44 PM

Perhaps the Skrull antagonists will be Kree Quislings rather than an extremist faction in the typical sense.

Alternatively, they might just be Kree who have managed to replicate Skrull physiology enough to do it themselves with some clever gene editing.

Though I generally think the most likely scenario will be a splinter group that Talos will be not happy to see still around.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#126919: Apr 20th 2021 at 12:58:58 PM

There could be two factions of Skrulls. One set could be far more radicalized thanks to having their home destroyed and the survivors hunted down. And that is the faction that Fury and Talos is fighting against

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126920: Apr 20th 2021 at 1:01:54 PM

Secret Invasion being billed as a three-way war between the Skrulls we know, ultra-revanchist extremist Skrulls and collaborator Skrulls selling out to the Kree would make for a suitably dramatic espionage show. Three different factions composed of shapeshifters going at it. Truly espionage taken to the next level.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126921: Apr 20th 2021 at 1:12:31 PM

Emilia Clarke would be a great choice for Jessica Drew.

Regarding the Skrulls, not all people are good, so it makes sense that not all Skrulls are either. And in the real world, extremists within good causes/victimized groups are a real thing. I think the issue with the Skrulls in the comics is that they are too frequently presented as Always Chaotic Evil.

Oh, regarding Shang Chi, I hope that The Stinger is Scott and Jimmy inviting him to join the West Coast Avengers. Scott will naturally be wearing an eyepatch and a longcoat.

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 20th 2021 at 3:13:05 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126922: Apr 20th 2021 at 1:16:01 PM

Imagine that, a world where “The” Avengers aren’t a thing again yet but the West Coast Avengers have taken the lead. [lol]

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#126923: Apr 20th 2021 at 1:17:42 PM

[up] Well, at least it wouldn't be the Great Lakes Avengers.

'Cause that would just be silly.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126924: Apr 20th 2021 at 1:19:55 PM

[up]That sounds like what the New Warriors TV show was pitched as before it got canceled, this second-stringer team (coupled with a lot of Great Lakes alumni and a reality TV show angle).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126925: Apr 20th 2021 at 1:38:49 PM

My only wish for Secret Invasion is that Talos doesn't die. That's pretty much it.

I'm probably not going to get it.

Oh, regarding Shang Chi, I hope that The Stinger is Scott and Jimmy inviting him to join the West Coast Avengers. Scott will naturally be wearing an eyepatch and a longcoat.

Jimmy pulling a Krillin and dressing like Piccolo Nick Fury for no reason would be pretty funny.

Jokes aside, though, I do wonder what Shang Chi's after credits scenes or in-movie references and foreshadows are going to build up. It feels like it's actually trying to carve out a new portion of the universe, so it could be anything.

Maybe it'll have a connection to Ironheart or Armor Wars, given that since Mandarin is Shang's dad in this continuity he now has an Iron Man connection he didn't before.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 20th 2021 at 1:53:35 AM


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