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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#126877: Apr 19th 2021 at 10:16:31 AM

Yeah, 2008 film is the fully canon one (Ross is there, Stark Industries and Tony himself also appear,, Abomination/Blonsky will return in She-Hulk). But there's some Broad Strokes with the 2003 fil; such as Bruce running away to South America in 2003 after turning into the Hulk and the dates match, too. All else is up in the air, however

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#126878: Apr 19th 2021 at 10:23:24 AM

If Hulk had his own MCU movie we'd have had another horrible dad in Brian Banner — the worst dad in Marvel comics bar none. And that is saying a lot.

I'd say he's matched, at least, by Norman Osborn and Winston Frost (Emma Frost's father). If nothing else, I'd call Winston the worst father in the Marvel Universe who isn't a supervillain.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#126879: Apr 19th 2021 at 10:29:39 AM

TIH is canon, but they still avoid from mentioning it too much or show flashbacks, due to the actor changing.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126880: Apr 19th 2021 at 10:41:02 AM

But Hulk’s the one with the terrible dad, not TIH.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126881: Apr 19th 2021 at 10:54:22 AM

RE Shang Chi - I wonder if Awkwafina's character Katie is actually a spy, including possibly the masked "Death Dealer" character, based on the "rule" that a story doesn't introduce a mysterious masked character unless someone important is under the mask.

One speculation I saw Is that she might be a gender flipped version of a rival character called Shen Kuei / "Cat".

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 19th 2021 at 12:56:30 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#126882: Apr 19th 2021 at 11:36:55 AM

It's a masterpiece, James. Complete. Comprehensive. Captures the Asian-American experience.

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Goku Black
#126883: Apr 19th 2021 at 11:37:55 AM

The exaggerated swagger of an Asian young man. [lol]

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126885: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:00:08 PM

I'd say he's matched, at least, by Norman Osborn

Osborn at least never killed his wife. So Brian still has him beat.

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Funny but not helpful
#126886: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:01:33 PM

He did kill his baby mama

How does that compare?

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126887: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:01:50 PM

Didn't Brian try to help the one below all end the multiverse or something. Even Norman couldn't beat that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126888: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:08:44 PM

I think Katy being under the mask is a bit unlikely given the trailer.

Though I dont think I'd completely rule her out from being a spy. I'm probably 75% against on that.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#126889: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:15:16 PM

Sorry, who's James?

Bucky. It's a spoof of a notably humorous line from Falcon and Winter Soldier.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 19th 2021 at 12:15:26 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126890: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:34:28 PM

Given the kind of movie Shang Chi is shaping up to be, I'd give good odds on Awkwafina being a spy, but fifty fifty on whether she's a good spy or a bad spy.

She could be, say, a "I work for Interpol / SHIELD / whatever. We've been trying to take down your father for years, so I've been tailing" twist instead, where they're on the same side but his trust in her is still shaken.

But I could also still totally imagine her being a spy for the Mandarin as well. The kind of stuff that went on in Shang Chi's original stories is conducive to both possibilities.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 19th 2021 at 12:35:18 PM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126891: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:38:51 PM

[up] By the way, is SHIELD still supposed to exist in the MCU (the "official" one)? Or has it been replaced by SWORD?

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126892: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:40:20 PM

[up] I'm going with "no" because of the MCU's track record of ignoring Agents of Shield. That being side I'm not sure if SWORD is supposed to be an all-purpose replacement or no.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126893: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:45:48 PM

[up][up] Endgame gave me the impression that the Avengers' peackeeping organization fused with a bunch of like organization and has formally taken up the role that SHIELD had on a global scale - from Wandavision, it appears SWORD is that same organization, but they could still have Fury or someone say "nah, SWORD is actually separate from us" at some point.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#126894: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:57:34 PM

[up]Far From Home and The Stinger of WandaVision both imply that Fury is behind SWORD. I'd imagine Heyward's group is probably like an "Earth branch" of the organization, while Fury runs everything else out in space.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 19th 2021 at 12:59:05 PM

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#126895: Apr 19th 2021 at 12:59:13 PM

I don't remember if the base where we saw Fury at the end of Far From Home was adorned with SWORD logos (come to think of that, I don't think we saw any indication of what the organisation "Fury" and "Hill" belong to during this movie was). In any case I don't quite see Fury being OK with SWORD's actions in Wandavision.

[up] [nja]

Edited by C105 on Apr 19th 2021 at 10:00:05 AM

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#126896: Apr 19th 2021 at 1:06:57 PM

[up][up]Adding to my previous post, the ending of Age of Ultron seemed to indicate that Fury and Hill were now directly working for the Avengers organization, though we didn't actually see them again until Infinity War, where there wasn't much indication of what exactly they were up to at that point.

In fact, now that I think of it, we don't 100% know the current whereabouts of the real Hill. We didn't see her in space at the end of FFH.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 19th 2021 at 1:07:06 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126897: Apr 19th 2021 at 1:10:16 PM

I feel like Maria would have just taken time off because unlike Fury, I’m pretty sure she has a family.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126898: Apr 19th 2021 at 1:15:41 PM

Wasn't she working for Stark Enterprises after Winter Soldier (or maybe I'm mixing up with AoS)? Maybe she is allowed the occasional "Fury-time" but was not able to free herself on this occasion. Or Talos' wife simply wanted to stay with him while he was working as Fury and asked Hill to replace her for this occasion.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126899: Apr 19th 2021 at 1:28:07 PM

IIRC, it's probably and wildly speculated - but not stated yet - that Fury's thing at the end of Endgame is SWORD. Whatever's going on there is probably going to get cleared up in Secret Invasion or Cap Marvel 2, whichever comes first.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126900: Apr 19th 2021 at 1:49:59 PM

Heh Shang’s dad being disappointed in his son choosing “lesser” jobs becomes funnier when you learn Shang’s actors biggest role before this involved working at a confidence store.

Shang really is a man of the people.

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