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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
People may not like the Eternals now, but I'd bet that people are going to like the Eternals in the near future.
Surrounded by weirdoes
I doubt people actually know the Eternals, but they aren't suffering the backlash from having such a clumsy attempt to raise their status.
Wake me up at your own risk.
Goku Black
And a really crappy show.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Eternals are mostly known as “What Jack Kirby did after the New Gods.” It’s why I’m hoping the Eternals film goes full Jack Kirby.
There are worse things to be associated with.
Too old for this
There is a difference between comic book fans and the general audience. I'd bet not a lot of people apart from Marvel fans had heard about the Guardians of the Galaxy before their movies, and I think we could say they are liked now.
In fact I wonder how well the Inhumans series is known to the MCU general audience, and, for instance, what is the percentage of it who would think of that series when hearing about Inhumans compared to percentage who will think of SkyeDaisy.
Edited by C105 on Apr 19th 2021 at 4:42:12 PM
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Goku Black
The show is quite infamous at this point so...
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to create a tangent. I just wanted to throw in a joke about the Inhumans. But also to note that the Eternals seem equally or more well-suited for anything involving "ancient magitech".
Doctor of Doctorates
Trailer looks pretty good, though we see very little to get any grasp of Shang's actual personality beyond "mad kung fu skills" and "daddy issues."
Though I did laugh at one smart ass comment on YT retitling as "Shang Chi and the Legend of We're Sorry About Iron Fist." ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
He's also definitely depicted as the heroic Everyman type.
Usually when we see a character pull up in a fancy car in a movie trailer it's the bad guy or the hero. Here, our hero is the valet. That says a lot, quickly.
I feel embarrassed. I didn't register that. That's cool.
Something I find cool about the concept, is that there is a sort of truth in television/ sort of stereotype about Asian Americans (or perhaps diaspora(?) Asians generally) being considered disappointments to their parents because they pursue their own choice of (generally less stable) career path, instead of the more prestigious/lucrative one favored by their parents.
And this is also true of Shang Chi, except the parental-favored career path he abandoned is that of supervillain who leads a vast international conspiracy. And like it is totally believable that he would tell Katie about being estranged from his father but leave out that little detail.
Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 19th 2021 at 10:07:07 AM
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
The Mad Doctor
So is this the "Asian parents are disappointed in their children for pursuing their own passions like excessive partying or not getting a stable job like doctor or engineer" stereotype that my Chinese American family is all too familiar with? Great, we're all on the right foot.
Foreign Troper
Lookd like Iron Fist done right.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
It's the Mandarin, so there's probably going to be a "hundred of years ago my ancestor Genghis Khan nearly conquered the world!" flashback at some point.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Oh, bother.
It's the high expectations Asian dad meme, except with a supervillain.
Disgusted, but not surprised
I suppose it would be more accurate to say that Wenwu has carved out a place for Shang Chi in the family business and is upset that he chose to turn away from it. Regardless we are continuing the theme of the real villain of the MCU being dads.
Oh, bother.
They should change it up at some point with a horrible mom.
Edited by M84 on Apr 19th 2021 at 11:51:12 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
That's what the Disney Animated Canon is for.
Oh, bother.
I guess when the X-Men show up Mystique could fill that role. Mystique is a lot of things, but a good mom is not one of them.
TFW realize that the neglectful Howard Stark and distant Hank Pym turned out to be two of the better MCU dads all things considered.
If Hulk had his own MCU movie we'd have had another horrible dad in Brian Banner — the worst dad in Marvel comics bar none. And that is saying a lot.
Edited by M84 on Apr 19th 2021 at 11:53:49 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Funny but not helpful
Agents of Shield had a bad mom
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Dagded Dujardin
We technically already dealt with Bruce's bad father once (I still headcanon parts of that movie as being canon to the MCU)
Too old for this
About that, do we know exactly which background MCU Hulk has? My brother insists that the opening credits of his movie imply some connection with the 2003 film.
From what I understand, the 2003 film is Broad Strokes, although a lot of the opening imagery from the 2008 film was specifically made to evoke the old 70s TV show.
Edited by Beatman1 on Apr 19th 2021 at 12:26:03 PM
x2 My understanding is that Incredible Hulk is meant to be in canon with the rest of the MCU because of references to it in Avengers 1 and Thunderbolt Ross' reappearance.
Edited by Aleistar on Apr 19th 2021 at 12:28:33 PM
The eternals could get a fantastic film which will have people notice them.
The inhumans have one of the worst shows of the modern era so will rewire much much more help on that front.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."