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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126826: Apr 16th 2021 at 10:33:40 PM

The Goblin tends to be his own thing, separate from the Sinister Six.

I'm hoping the last Sony tie-in film after this one is a Dark Reign adaptation, so they can use Norman there.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126827: Apr 16th 2021 at 10:36:16 PM

[up][up][up]Exactly.

Winter Soldier works because they all fit into clear roles. Batroc's just there for an action setpiece in the opening. Pierce is the Non-Action Big Bad, while the Winter Soldier serves as his muscle as well as the emotional centerpiece for the protagonist. Rumlow is there to provide a secondary physical combatant when Bucky is unavailable, and Zola's a One-Scene Wonder to tie the plot to the first film. Aside from Batroc they're all part of a singular, cohesive plotline about HYDRA weaseling its way into the modern day under SHIELD.

In Raimi's Spider-Man 3 you have... Harry Osborne as an active villain with his own plotline, Sandman as an active villain with his own plotline, and Eddie Brock/Venom as an active villain with his own plotline.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 16th 2021 at 1:36:39 PM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#126828: Apr 17th 2021 at 2:27:35 AM

Here's my theory: a bounty is put on Peter's head because of the crimes he's framed for, and he spends the whole movie fending off various superpowered folk attacking him so they can claim the reward. Lets you have Spider-Man tangle with a lot of different villains without needing to give each baddie complex or individual motivations; they're looking for a payday, pure and simple.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#126829: Apr 17th 2021 at 2:49:22 AM

Carnival of Killers would be great to have in a movie.

Like John Wick 2 in the latter half where he fights colorful assassin after assassin to his target.

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AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#126830: Apr 17th 2021 at 3:43:15 AM

[up][up] That sounds like an interesting idea. Spider-Man would be hunted by various minor and one-shot supervillains he faced in the comics such as Hypno-Hustler, Big Wheel and Calypso.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126831: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:28:38 AM

Course in real life that is not how bounty hunting works.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#126832: Apr 17th 2021 at 8:45:21 AM

If we are talking about a bunch of super-villains going after Spiderman, the first ones that come to mind are Kraven, Scorpion and the Spider-Slayers

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#126833: Apr 17th 2021 at 8:51:35 AM

RE: Alfred Molina's tell-all regarding No Way Home:

So we really are going the multiverse route, eh? And if Doc Ock coming is the same one from Spider-Man 2, then I guess the same will be true for Jamie Foxx's Electro?

I guess my main concern with this development is whether or not it debunks the potential of an MCU!Doc Ock to appear eventually. I mean, Molina's almost in his 70s for the record, so if he's our MCU!Otto going forward, I only hope he won't have to do anything too exhausting. And side note: Willem Dafoe's in his mid-60s, so if he's showing up in NWH as Norman Osborn too, then same thing, hope he isn't gonna have to do anything rigorous. Basically, these guys aren't getting any younger.

And this is really overdue, but the newest Loki trailer having that visual about "branching timelines" has reaffirmed my suspicion that this could be the "in" that ropes Deadpool into the MCU since the end of Deadpool 2 had him creating a lot of branching timelines.

Oh, and the Loki trailer also had a place called "Roxxcart". Might this be how Roxxon gets back into the public consciousness since it sort of disappeared after Agent Carter and the Netflix shows are all in that weird state of canon limbo?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 17th 2021 at 8:53:50 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#126836: Apr 18th 2021 at 8:36:22 PM

Goddamn I know this show makes everyone an asshole but they made T'Challa a straight up jackass.

Stealing the shield because "he's taking it back" is just so out of character for him.

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FGHIK from right behind you Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#126837: Apr 18th 2021 at 9:48:08 PM

Damn, if it really is a multiverse that means I need to watch Amazing Spider-Man 2...

Regarding Deadpool, I'd honestly prefer him not to be a part of the MCU. Having him breaking the fourth wall all the time would make the universe feel fake to me. It breaks my suspension of disbelief, basically.

I missed the part where that's my problem.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126838: Apr 18th 2021 at 9:51:28 PM

Deadpool's a character best used sporadically. Much like Squirrel Girl, his gimmick can get old fast outside of their own series.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126839: Apr 18th 2021 at 9:55:42 PM

In fairness, Squirrel Girl's gimmick outside of her own book once she had one was annoyance that her usual methods didn't work as well when she was on a team

Although she did once manage to radicalize a swarm of rats

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126840: Apr 18th 2021 at 9:57:10 PM

I'd like Deadpool to be set up with Mojo in Mojoworld. Have it so Mojo teleports Deadpool from what seems to be the foxverse to Mojoworld where he is basically broadcasting (his version of) the MCU to the multiverse and he thinks Deadpool would add "value to the property". So Deadpool becomes Deadpool: Into the Mojoverse.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126841: Apr 18th 2021 at 10:58:40 PM

[up]Course, having Mojo and Deadpool in the same story brings back bad memories of Ultimate Mojo and Ultimate Deadpool (who was more like Donald Pierce in terms of characterization).

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#126842: Apr 19th 2021 at 2:00:32 AM

I'd incorporate Deadpool by having a montage of images with Deadpool poorly photoshopped into all of the previous movies. Kind of a "Deadpool is here? Always has been," kinda thing.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#126844: Apr 19th 2021 at 6:59:28 AM

[up]looks pretty badass

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#126845: Apr 19th 2021 at 7:04:02 AM

Does anyone think a miniseries set in the MCU during the blip could be a good idea? I mean, we kind of got hints of what it was like during Endgame and Falcon and Winter Soldier, but showing how the world in general was affected, not just heroes, would be interesting to see.

Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#126846: Apr 19th 2021 at 7:05:51 AM

If nothing else, this movie looks fantastic from a visual standpoint.

It's been 3000 years…
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126847: Apr 19th 2021 at 7:09:12 AM

So seems their going to have Mandarin be his father here? As a nod to the comics where his father was Fu Manchu

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126848: Apr 19th 2021 at 7:18:29 AM

Awesome teaser.

I'm really interested in the use of magical elements. Like we see a liondog briefly and some other creatures have been teased by some of the merchandise. And I'm curious about what seem to be Mongol warriors at one point in the clip.

I wonder if there's going to be some kind of overarching Ancient Astronauts connected to the Eternals. Maybe also in Kamala's origin, instead of the Inhumans, since no one likes them?

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 19th 2021 at 9:19:55 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126849: Apr 19th 2021 at 7:30:20 AM

And you think people like the Eternals?

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