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But if Electro is Doc Ock's henchman, it should be a similar situation.

That is my point. For all we know, which is very little at this point, Electro might just be a henchman.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 16th 2021 at 7:23:12 AM

Electro probably won't be the same guy considering we know for a fact he has a different design. And considering how simple his origin is, I doubt he'll need much explaining.

Homecoming also had Tinkerer, if I remember correctly.

I forgot Tinkerer was in Homecoming to be honest.

Yeah, it'd be interesting if he came back. The best part is, he can show up as a secondary villain to almost any hero.

Because, in the comics, he pretty much built something for a huge number of villains, and even some anti-heroes.

Edited by djoki996 on Apr 16th 2021 at 5:31:08 AM

It's possible to balance many villains by interconnecting them. Winter Soldier had five.

Spider-Man 3's problem was all three of its villains were part of separate plots and affiliations, all pulling in different directions (and stretching believability that all three would become active at the same time).

This is a bit off topic, but I think Homecoming missed an opportunity by making the Vulture and the Tinkerer criminal associates, but not making them as old as they are in the comic, where their age is a defining part of their characters. This in combination with their other similarities (tech-savvy Spider-Man foes) makes me think that there's potential in giving them a shared origin (like in the movie) but also having their age be a part of their character.

For example, part of their motivation could be that despite their genius, they are considered "obsolete" due to their elderliness, and that supervillainy gives them more satisfaction than life in retirement ever could. (And there are inklings of this in Homecoming, where Toomes is prompted to become a criminal after being made obsolete by Damage Control, and deciding to adapt to the times.)

My assessment of how stuffed this movie is going to be is on hold until they friggin' give us a plot synopsis or trailer or something already. Pretty much all the info at this point is just "people are speculating, stoke the hype like you mean it without saying anything" and I am almost entirely checked out at this point.

I will say that imo, the best way to bring in a ton of Spidey villains is to have them not be significant to the primary plot. Like, back when they announced Ock was in it I imagined an opening scene that shows how Spidey has been getting on crime fighting while dealing with the aftereffects of Mysterio's bull, essentially a big fight scene, then Ock gets away because Spidey is being hunted or whatever, followed by him being in the background for the rest of the film.

Something like that would work pretty well, since if any hero is conducive to "there's just a bunch of villains everywhere weaving in and out of the plot" it's Spidey.

Well of course Otto has a loose grasp of morals. After all, he has

Also evil robot tentacles that want to kill everything or whatever.

And he thought it was a good idea to create a miniature sun in the middle of one of the biggest cities of the world before the tentacles drove him crazy.

If this is indeed the same Doc Ock from the Raimi timeline and not another Bohner situation, then I imagine Electro will indeed be the same one as seen in ASM 2. Certainly his death was more ambiguous than Ock's. As for Jamie Foxx saying he won't be blue this time, that might just mean a design change.

Imo the best Electeo design was the one from The Spectacular Spider-Man, though I don't know if it's the most translatable to live action.

Considering that Ock is still alive, it would not really be Raimi's version, but an alternate version in which the events of the trilogy happened in a similar way.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 16th 2021 at 7:47:24 AM

• My assessment of how stuffed this movie is going to be is on hold until they friggin' give us a plot synopsis or trailer or something already. Pretty much all the info at this point is just "people are speculating, stoke the hype like you mean it without saying anything" and I am almost entirely checked out at this point.

Yeah, I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Known Unknown. At this point, the only concrete thing we've heard is that Doc Ock is going to be in the film. I'm really over all the secrecy that these films demand. Just tell us what's going on, people are going to be cheering one way or the other.

Into the spider-verse had tons of villains and dare I say it's the best Spider-Man movie, and I love Spider-Man 2, but it was better, so I think tons of villains can work, but you have to focus on some more than others.

People lose their freaking minds over multiple villains in Spider-Man movies just because there was once a Spider-Man film that was famously bad and had multiple villains, but ultimately that speaks more to that movie being poorly written than the usage of multiple villains itself being a problem.

Shit if we're gonna get the Sinister Six on film then we need to accept and groove with the idea of multiple villains in a movie.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 16th 2021 at 8:47:42 AM

I feel like Into the Spider-Verse works so well on the villain front because at the end of the day, Kingpin's running the show.

Well, it was more there were two Spider-Man films that had multiple villains; both of which were considered the worst in their respective continuities and led to both series being rebooted.

I'm willing to see where this goes. But a part of me is concerned about the direction the film might take.

An ensemble of villains is most certainly possible, it's just that the executives want Venom in without considering the fact that Sam Rami decided to make Peter Parker a villain of his own story and thus be the focus alongside Sandman and Harry Osborn.

Eddie is really the thing to cause Spider-Man 3 to collapse upon itself. If we consider Harry Osborn as a villain in Spider-Man 2, then it's clear that had Sam Rami got his way, the villain balance would be on par with him. Two villains plus an internal conflict with Peter Parker.

Venom is the villain you reserve for Spider-Man 4, not 3. You either milk everything you could out of Peter Parker being evil... or you skip that part and just go to Venom with Eddie Brock.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 had two major villains, Harry and Electro with the Rhino being an Advertised Extra. But it's problem is less on the villains and more on the story choices and clear executive meddling plus an out of touch belief of what worked with Gwen Stacy in the past versus today.

Edited by Shadao on Apr 16th 2021 at 8:55:25 AM

I just... really don't like the idea of Spider-Man 3 potentially being turned into a multiverse thing, with so much crammed into it that it will detract from Holland and his supporting cast.

We don't need a live-action Spider-Verse movie. We've already got the perfectly good animated one(s)

Edited by Nightwire on Apr 16th 2021 at 9:18:42 AM

Captain America: The Winter Soldier had lots of reasonably fleshed-out villains/antagonists^note Batroc, Rumlow, Zola, Sitwell, Pierce, Bucky and still managed to make them all work. It's definitely a problem with execution.

Edited by AlleyOop on Apr 16th 2021 at 1:01:09 PM

If Marvel Studio is going to create a Spider-Man vs. Sinister Six movie, my dream roster for the Sinister Six would be Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Sandman, Electro, Vulture and Scorpion.