Marvel Cinematic Universe

I guess they felt there was a burning need for fat jokes in Endgame for some reason.

Clint didn't get the same treatment presumably because it's slightly harder to make quips about brutal vigilante murder sprees.

Edited by M84 on Apr 15th 2021 at 5:26:29 PM

I just like the idea that all the hero's aren't necessarily one big family.

Like when you have a diverse group of people united by simple standards of morality, not everyone is gonna be the same. Sure are plenty are gonna be nice, but there's also ones who are just kind of mean or unapproachable.

Like their not sadistic or cruel, just kind of a jerk but this isn't a problem because they are still able to work fine with others because they are still professionals.

Rhodey prolly dislikes Thor enough to make some snips at him but he's not a child like Rocket and Quill so he won't let it fuck things up.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 15th 2021 at 2:44:49 AM

Quill saved the day by channeling the power of friends, family and Fleetwood Mac.

Though I do think that Quill and Rocket being jerks is justifiable. Quill's childhood consisted of losing his mother to cancer followed immediately by being abducted by space pirates who kept making "jokes" about eating him. An upbringing like that isn't particularly great at creating a mature adult.

And Rocket probably didn't even have a childhood. Unless you consider being torn apart and rebuilt repeatedly in a lab to be a childhood.

I do think that Rhodey's position in-universe is somewhat artificially supported. IIRC no one ever tells him to stop making mean quips at Thor when they're in an environment to do so. It's just treated as a non-issue by the rest of the team (and by extension the movie).

I can accept Rhodey maybe being a bit sore about Thor's physical state in contrast to his (and on a wider scale the team members not being friendly towards each other all of the time), but it comes off as Rhodey mocking Thor because the latter is severely depressed and has experienced physical consequences like gaining a large amount of weight because of it.

I think Endgame has some great moments of empathy and compassion between the characters

And I think the ratio of that to barbs needed to be adjusted to make the overall less mean spirited

Take out a couple jokes, especially the one about the salad etc

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 15th 2021 at 10:42:55 AM

But keep the part where Rhodey calls Quill an idiot and punches him out.

The salad joke was actually from Freya and came after a rather heartwarming moment.

I think that was just her needling him innocently.

@ Bocaj and M 84 - I completely agree.

As far as Quill goes, I thought that his treatment in Infinity War and Endgame makes a lot of sense, because it gets at how he reads differently in his own movies (where by comparison to everyone else he's The Hero), and how he reads when interacting with The Avengers (where he's basically a much less competent but more aggravating version of Tony).

I don't think it necessarily is a trope, but you can see the same kind of thing with the Flash (or Kid Flash) in DCAU properties or Spider-Man in Marvel comics - Where they are the hero in their own stories, but kind of an annoying Butt-Monkey when on a team.

There’s something hilarious how Quill in the comics was sort of more of a Master Chief kinda guy while on the movies he’s a “puckish rogue” with extra screaming.

Hilariously in Avenger’s Earth’s Mightiest Heroes he literally is voiced by Master Chief, Steve Downes.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 15th 2021 at 11:59:48 AM

So, he's both of those in the comics?

Thor lost an eye.

And then got another eye, which is still a load of horseshit to me.

It’s a prosthetic

Kinda like Bucky’s arm

And like Rhodey’s spine braces

And like Tony’s arc reactor heart, before he removed the shrapnel

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 15th 2021 at 3:26:58 PM

For a brief moment, I fell into the mindset of people saying "nothing that happens in these movies matters." Probably an overreaction, I guess, but so be it.

Edited by Prowler on Apr 15th 2021 at 1:44:02 PM

Nah, funky-wunky comics Status Quo Is God was definitely in play. Thor lost his eye and Mjolnir, went back to using Mjolnir in IW/Endgame. Loki and Gamora died, we'll just pull time-displaced versions of them to keep using the characters.

Mjolnir was back only for Endgame, the whole enchanted stuff is still gone and right now Stormbreaker is just a fancy weapon whose use has expired but isn't really needed for Thor to fight, except to make up for his unpolished skills. And Loki's time displaced self is on his own adventure, rather than meeting our heroes. Furthermore, Gamora's first instinct after being brought back to replace the one that got killed is to run away once the commotion dies down.

Also Tony and Natasha are dead as a doornail, the Avengers are still split up, Steve is gone, the original Vision is gone and in his place is a barely similar entity, Pietro continues being dead, Hulk is pretty much retired from action, Thor left Earth.

IDK, it definitely doesn't seems like things put themselves back in place, the heroes are pretty much forever split and the original Avengers are all gone now in many ways each.

Edited by VengefulBale on Apr 15th 2021 at 4:20:04 AM

The next generation is taking over.

Status quo is not really a thing in the MCU. For the most part, every movie brings something new to the table and changes up old information in some way.

I don't mind Thor getting Stormbreaker, but also giving him a replacement eye in the same film felt like they undid too many changes Ragnarok brought.

Plus eyepatches are badass.

OK, I had forgotten about Thor losing his eye (though I could argue that losing one eye is less damaging than the use of both legs), and it was not during an Avengers mission. As for Tony's shrapnel and Bucky's arm, they technically happened before the Avengers existed (in Tony's case you could say the shrapnel was part of their creation). Rhodey remains the only Avengers who suffered a lasting injury during an Avengers mission (along with Pietro, but he was forgotten by everyone until Wandavision anyway).

Tony’s arm is fucked up after Wanda hit him with a car

It’s not the same level but it’s a thing apparently

I don't remember this. When did it happen?

Civil War

She dumped an assload of cars on him