TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126701: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:36:53 PM

Human students endure enough as it is at regular school,having normal students at a superhero academy would be horrible

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#126702: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:40:07 PM

There's also the inconvenient bit about your school blowing up every other Tuesday.

Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks Marathon
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126703: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:51:08 PM

Yeah.

That and Marvel will never actually allow Human and Mutant existence.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126704: Apr 12th 2021 at 6:02:35 PM

There was a Normal Man on the X Men in Morrison’s Bad Future

I say normal but he really wanted to fuck robots

So I guess you can be a human X Men if you’re kinky enough

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126705: Apr 12th 2021 at 6:03:33 PM

Non-Marvel example of an enhanced human school. I liked how the comic placed a greater focus on the organization's attendees who had no interest in being a superhero and were more focused on reintegrating with society.

Too bad there hasn't been an update for years...

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#126706: Apr 12th 2021 at 9:00:13 PM

Was Professor X ever actually interested in creating a school for mutants, or did he just need a plausible cover story for why a bunch of teenagers were living at his mansion?

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126707: Apr 12th 2021 at 10:24:14 PM

Perhaps this would be better suited in the Xmen comics thread, since it has nothing to do with the MCU?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#126708: Apr 13th 2021 at 1:30:00 AM

@Falrinn That's not a bad idea for the X-Men at all.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#126709: Apr 13th 2021 at 1:32:36 PM

Okay, this conversation is reminding me of that time Linkara acted out how Xavier would justify the school's budget:

Xavier Look, I can explain the wheel of death and the chompers... I thought my students needed more encouragement to do their homework!
Board of Directors: ... Actually, we were going to ask you about the vending machines and the nutrition of your students... Spinning wheel of death you say?

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#126710: Apr 13th 2021 at 2:57:41 PM

Some more What If? early promotion:

Coming summer 2021 #disneyplus an alternative narrative in a parallel universe... a position of power that Peggy Carter is fully equipped for #iknowmyvalue

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#126714: Apr 14th 2021 at 2:21:06 PM

Some discussion on the The Falcon and the Winter Soldier thread thread about the MCU's history of ableism reminded me that I still really dislike Thor's physical and mental health in Endgame being a punchline. I probably shouldn't expect the MCU to be a shining paragon of fairness on this topic or anything, but making Thor's grief over seeing half of the survivors of his people get murdered by Thanos and co. the butt of jokes is just unpleasant to watch.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126715: Apr 14th 2021 at 2:24:44 PM

It feels like padding and cheap product placement for a video game if you ask me

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126716: Apr 14th 2021 at 2:25:07 PM

Well we did get product placement for a video game.

Ironically an expensive one.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 14th 2021 at 2:25:36 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126717: Apr 14th 2021 at 2:27:40 PM

Some see it as a (relatively, too many fat jokes for my liking) positive portrayal because he still wound up being worthy of Mjolnir.

The Mary Sue even had a piece that fat white nerds who feel represented with Thor might finally understand the desire for representation now.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 14th 2021 at 4:27:58 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#126718: Apr 14th 2021 at 2:55:55 PM

I like the idea of Thor's character arc in Endgame, I just feel there needed to be a few little tweaks to help it come across better.

I don't mind the first few jokes when Thor first appears after the Time Skip, but I think they should've stopped once Thor reveals how devastated he truly is to Rocket and Bruce. You get your laughs, but you play it straight after Thor's facade slips.

I also kind of felt the scene where Rocket slaps Thor when he's in the middle of a anxiety attack was a big misstep for that subplot. I get it's supposed to be a dire situation, but it felt a little disrespectful considering what Thor had gone through. Maybe they could've done something a bit more similar to Clint's pep-talk to Wanda in AOU and have Rocket help him calm down or step aside?

Although, using real world logic, Thor was definitely not in the right mindspace to even go on the Time Heist in the first place and probably should've sit the whole thing out. But hey, what's the fun in that? tongue

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126719: Apr 14th 2021 at 2:57:02 PM

Then again, Rocket slapping Thor was rather in character for him.

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126720: Apr 14th 2021 at 3:11:19 PM

It felt very jarring to have a touching scene where Rhodey and Nebula connect over their own disabilities and accept to do what they can with what they’ve got, and then shortly after he and the others are back to making mocking jabs at Thor the resident punching bag.

There really was no reason for them to demand Thor to go on the Time Heist right away. Either take some time to get him therapy and help him to a better place where he might feel like joining the mission, or ask someone else like Valkyrie or Captain Marvel to take his place.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 14th 2021 at 3:11:37 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#126721: Apr 14th 2021 at 3:17:22 PM

I maintain that fat Thor in battle mode is the most Thor-like Thor has ever looked.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126722: Apr 14th 2021 at 3:27:35 PM

0/10 for the lack of cross-dressing Thor!

(context,Thor had his hammer stolen and he had to dress up to get it back,Loki helped)

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#126723: Apr 14th 2021 at 3:31:13 PM

Most of the weird or embarrassing things that happened to Thor involve Loki in some way.

Wake me up at your own risk.
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#126724: Apr 14th 2021 at 3:34:33 PM

I guess I'm of two minds of this.

The more petty, dickish part of me wants to say that it's a complete irredeemable trainwreck of handling the character and his trauma and the people who genuinely like it are just blithering, privileged Marvel sycophants who lap of anything the franchise does and haven't undergone much if any real tragedy in their lives and these fans and the screenwriters should maybe kinda have a limb or two shorn off of their bodies just to know what it really feels like. Hell, I was actually initially gonna say only this.

But the more calmed-down part of me feels like there *are* elements to like about Thor here. I genuinely like the scene where he talks to Frigga, it's really touching and one of the few moments in the film that actually feels emotionally realized amongst the long string of fanservice over subtstance. Also I like how he's still holding his own in battle. There was potential here, there really was, and some of it does shine through at least a little. But it's hard not to see why people have issues with the execution.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126725: Apr 14th 2021 at 4:15:58 PM

Thor suffering a breakdown was very understandable, especially after his talk with Rocket in IW. It probably could have been handled better (maybe closer to Tony's PTSD in Iron Man 3), but at least the idea was there. And it did not feel particularly cruel to me, considering the World of Snark Endgame was to begin with.

Also it allowed me to say that I have the body of a Thunder God.

Edited by C105 on Apr 14th 2021 at 1:16:19 PM

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.

Total posts: 186,763
Top