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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126676: Apr 12th 2021 at 6:52:49 AM

[up]I would play with the reluctance to teach the kids that. Maybe the faculty feels like they have no other choice as anti-mutant sentiment rises.

As for Storm, with Thor not talking in big dramatic speeches, that leaves the opening for such wide open.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#126677: Apr 12th 2021 at 7:08:17 AM

But that brings Unfortunate Implications, teach the kids to use force as self defence to anti sentiment, and things will only scalate. It's justified if Sentinels becomes the norm as in the comics, but I doubt we will get to that extreme in the MCU.

One way I could see it, and it would be a dark take, is that the goverment do their own sokovia accords for mutants, in ehich, as an arms race kind of way againts other countries, obligues any school for the gifted to teach them to fight, so that in any other event like the New York invasion, Thanos, or a war with another country, they are to be called to fight.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126678: Apr 12th 2021 at 7:12:55 AM

Cyclops did have a kid in the present, with Madelyne. And that kid is Cable

He was raised in an alternate timeline (by Scott and Jean 616 as it happens) but he was Scott’s kid from the main timeline

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126679: Apr 12th 2021 at 7:18:40 AM

Okay, he and Jean never had a kid in the present timeline.

Edited by M84 on Apr 12th 2021 at 10:18:51 PM

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#126680: Apr 12th 2021 at 7:22:13 AM

I don't know if I should love how overcomplicated the X-men stories are, or hate it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126681: Apr 12th 2021 at 7:24:58 AM

It's fine as long as it doesn't get into creepy territory.

Which it all too often does, unfortunately. Doesn't help that Chris Claremont was a shameless horndog of a writer.

Edited by M84 on Apr 12th 2021 at 10:25:44 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#126682: Apr 12th 2021 at 9:14:18 AM

Didn't Claremont want to make it that Rachel was the daughter of Jean and the Phoenix rather than Jean and Scott because he was mad about the whole "Scott abandoned Maddie and their child" thing?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#126683: Apr 12th 2021 at 9:18:44 AM

I don't know whether that was the motive or whether it was his intention all along to explain why Rachael has a better, more perfect connection to the Phoenix than Jean.

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djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#126684: Apr 12th 2021 at 9:29:57 AM

[up][up] While he was mad about that (and, to this day, he dislikes Cyclops), I don't think that was the motivation behind it.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#126685: Apr 12th 2021 at 11:09:20 AM

Claremont disliked Cyclops? I mean sure, he often portrayed him as overly strict and stuck-up, but he still wrote him as the unquestioned leader of the X-Men as well.

When I think of writers who irrationally hate Scott, I rather think of Jason Aaron or Rick Remender.

Edited by Forenperser on Apr 12th 2021 at 8:09:32 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#126686: Apr 12th 2021 at 11:57:53 AM

Since we're talking X-Men, I really hope we get some version of this moment for Nightcrawler (who probably didn't have much to do in the Fox movies himself):

If not a 1:1 recreation, then something extremely to it, like how Civil War had "with great power comes great responsibility" without actually using the phrase.

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#126687: Apr 12th 2021 at 11:59:49 AM

Take the existing MCU team movies, for instance; despite Guardians being pretty much an ensemble piece, Peter is still the de facto main character in both of them. Same thing goes for Avengers: all four are ensemble films with huge casts that all get their time to shine, but in the end they still have Tony Stark as the indisputable "main" main character, with Steve Rogers as the deuteragonist (except for Civil War, where that's reversed). Even outside the MCU, ensembles still have a main lead character, including both versions of the Justice League movie (in the theatrical cut it's Batman, in the Snyder Cut it's Cyborg).

Good point, and that makes me wonder how the MCU will handle the Fantastic Four. After all, the comics are pretty much an ensemble series where each character gets an equal amount of attention.

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#126688: Apr 12th 2021 at 2:02:32 PM

Question, are there other schools for the gifted besides Xavier's? If so, has there been some games or competitions between them a la goblet of fire? If not, that there is a missed oportunity.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#126689: Apr 12th 2021 at 2:08:56 PM

[up][up]My guess is that Reed will be the Quill/Stark "lead" character of the group, though the others will still have equal focus, kind of like the 2005 film. Honestly, that movie balanced out the main cast pretty well all things considered.

[up]Not really. I think at one point Magneto tried to set up his own school and it blew up in his face, though.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 12th 2021 at 2:10:00 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#126690: Apr 12th 2021 at 2:20:33 PM

There’s a Braddock academy supposedly

Emma Frost used to have her own school

Her hellions and the new mutants had some rivalry going on. It was neat before they all died

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126691: Apr 12th 2021 at 3:09:39 PM

Then there was the second school Emma ran for Generation Next, with Banshee running it alongside her.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126692: Apr 12th 2021 at 4:43:30 PM

There's also a school in Latveria. The entire faculty are Doombots.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 12th 2021 at 7:44:46 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126693: Apr 12th 2021 at 4:51:24 PM

There was also Avengers Academy and the Wakandan School for Alternative Studies.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126694: Apr 12th 2021 at 4:54:57 PM

Alas the avengers academy

Between Hank being Ultron’d and that whole thing where some children got kidnapped by Arcade, I’m pretty sure that the academy is kaput

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126695: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:07:54 PM

To circle this back to Xavier's school, I think it might be worthwhile to establish that the X-Men are an organization that exists in parallel with the school but not all X-Men are faculty/students at the school and only a small minority of the faculty/students are X-Men.

Heck some of the faculty might not even be mutants. You don't need to be a mutant to teach math to mutants after all, just be good at teaching math and be willing to work with an unusual student base.

The Foxverse wasn't actually half bad at this, at least for the early films. Since the school was depicted as being far larger then the X-Men team.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#126696: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:10:02 PM

Wasn't there one comic where it was revealed that the Xavier Institute actually had one token human student?

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126697: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:19:49 PM

So what would that be, just My Hero Academia but if the main protagonist certainly wasn't Deku?

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#126698: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:19:58 PM

When they get to Dr. Doom I want his introduction to be like this evil grin

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#126699: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:25:41 PM

I heard about that, basically there was a kid who just really respected mutants and he wanted to go to Xavier's School and Xavier was fine with it and he graduated with pride.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#126700: Apr 12th 2021 at 5:30:39 PM

I mean the idea is human and mutant acceptance. Why not have human students.

Just Makima.

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