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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#126651: Apr 11th 2021 at 7:34:48 PM

[up]I want 90s Large Ham Storm if they do, calling forth the Artic Winds and being awesome. Considering Storm has led the X-Men on numerous occasions in the comics, it makes perfect sense.

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#126652: Apr 11th 2021 at 7:48:11 PM

Yes!

90's storm. Enough ham to feed an entire city.[lol]

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#126654: Apr 11th 2021 at 9:21:15 PM

While Storm is likely to be featured prominently in upcoming X-Men projects, I'd hope an X-Men film would be more of an ensemble without a true lead.

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#126655: Apr 11th 2021 at 10:05:59 PM

[up]That's actually a bit more difficult to pull off then you might realize. Take the existing MCU team movies, for instance; despite Guardians being pretty much an ensemble piece, Peter is still the de facto main character in both of them. Same thing goes for Avengers: all four are ensemble films with huge casts that all get their time to shine, but in the end they still have Tony Stark as the indisputable "main" main character, with Steve Rogers as the deuteragonist (except for Civil War, where that's reversed). Even outside the MCU, ensembles still have a main lead character, including both versions of the Justice League movie (in the theatrical cut it's Batman, in the Snyder Cut it's Cyborg). Ultimately, though, balance is still an important factor in these types of movies; like I mentioned, Tony is the main lead of every Avengers film, but that doesn't mean the other Avengers suffer from a lack of focus in favor of him like with Fox's X-Men films, which had a tendency to focus on Wolverine to the detriment of everyone else. Simply put, an ensemble piece with no true lead character is quite difficult to pull of in a movie compared to a TV show or comic, though still theoretically possible. I'd expect the MCU X-Men to definitely have a designated lead, be it Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, or whoever, but given Marvel Studios' track record they'll most likely be a lot more accommodating to the other X-Men than Fox was.

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#126656: Apr 11th 2021 at 10:55:53 PM

I think they'd probably go with Cyclops as the team lead, if just because he's an easy character to understand.

Though I can also see Jubilee as a focus character for the same reason as in the cartoon. Being new to the team justifies any exposition they'd want to feed.

That's not to say I dont want to see Storm. She is the team's heaviest hitter and any film involving her needs to give her the gravity that that deserves.

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#126657: Apr 11th 2021 at 10:57:23 PM

I always figured Cyclops was the X-Men's heaviest hitter when he took off his glasses, balanced out by him being an average human aside from the god-tier eye lasers.

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#126658: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:37:25 PM

I can't remember which run it is (seem to think it's (urgh) Whedon), but at one point the X Men literally have a Sentinel on their front yard. Cyke takes off his glasses and the Sentinel is gone. (As is all of the yard and considerable amounts of the surrounding area.) Wolverine promptly comments that this is why Cyclops is the leader.

Edited by jakobitis on Apr 11th 2021 at 7:38:23 PM

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#126659: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:41:05 PM

What keeps Scott from being a total gamebreaker is that he's an average (sort of — he's in great shape and has had a lot of hours logged in at the Danger Room) human being aside from the Eye Beams and has a lot of issues due to losing his parents at a young age and being raised as a Child Soldier of sorts by Xavier.

Also there's the whole "the Eye Beams don't turn off" issue. Usually all one needs to do to remove him from a fight is to break his visor or glasses.

Edited by M84 on Apr 12th 2021 at 2:43:22 AM

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#126660: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:43:14 PM

He also used to be solar powered

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#126661: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:46:09 PM

Cyclops is Batman, if Batman was constantly firing a Kamehameha out of his eyes.

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#126662: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:48:24 PM

Right down to having crap personal skills and a troubled love life too. He's a Broken Ace par excellence, though not in quite the same way as fellow Broken Ace Wolverine.

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#126663: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:50:32 PM

Jean has a type.

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#126664: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:54:22 PM

Credit to Scott he’s actually been married, Bruce was left at the alter.

And all his kids were conceived consensually I think, Talia raped Bruce to conceive his only blood child Damian.

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#126665: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:55:09 PM

Scott's different in that he has a bunch of kids from alternate future timelines and dimensions running around despite not actually having had a kid yet in the present.

And Scott's marriage with Madeline Pryor really didn't go well. Being left at the altar would have been better for everyone involved.

Edited by M84 on Apr 12th 2021 at 2:55:53 AM

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#126666: Apr 11th 2021 at 11:59:01 PM

I'll be honest, I always thought Cyclops was a middle of the road character. I mostly just knew him from the 90's cartoon. My knowledge of his comic self begins and ends with punches from the punch dimension.

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#126667: Apr 12th 2021 at 12:06:18 AM

He does sometimes have trouble standing out. In the (ugh) Whedon run, Emma Frost claimed that deep down Scott wanted to be Wolverine because he's more recognizable and cooler than Scott.

Edited by M84 on Apr 13th 2021 at 3:07:55 AM

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#126668: Apr 12th 2021 at 12:07:37 AM

He’s actually a pretty compelling guy. Lotta complexities in his devotion to the cause and trying to be a good leader, but barred down by his own dysfunction. Similar case to T’Challa, the hardships of being a king and a superhero, in Scott’s case the hardship of being a revolutionary and a superhero.

But ya know Wolverine, he stabs people and snarls like a dog with mange, “so cool, so manly”.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 12th 2021 at 12:08:09 PM

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#126669: Apr 12th 2021 at 12:08:04 AM

Of course, not even Wolverine really wants to be Wolverine — that same run had a villain psychically revert Logan to his youth, claiming that deep down Logan was always "a scared little boy pretending to be a beast."

It's telling that Logan still refuses to use his original birth name of James Howlett and instead keeps using the name of Thomas Logan, the asshole who is also his biological father responsible for ruining his youth.

Edited by M84 on Apr 13th 2021 at 3:10:13 AM

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#126670: Apr 12th 2021 at 12:10:49 AM

Wolverine’s a self-righteous prick who constantly guilts and shames people (primarily Scott) for the exact same shit he does constantly, killing people.

He just thinks he better then them because he believes whining about how much of a terrible person he is is the equivalent to improving as a person.

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#126671: Apr 12th 2021 at 12:12:20 AM

Logan's of the mindset that he should be the only one doing dirty work if at all possible. He mainly chewed out Scott for making X-23 aka Laura Kinney get involved too.

And Logan had a point — given X-23's awful backstory of being created to be a Living Weapon assassin, the last thing anyone should be doing is assigning her to do the sort of things a Living Weapon assassin does. Logan wanted to give Laura a chance at normality and peace.

Logan's more or less already written himself off as a damned soul who punched his ticket to hell long ago (and he very much has).

Edited by M84 on Apr 13th 2021 at 3:15:58 AM

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#126672: Apr 12th 2021 at 12:15:30 AM

He also believes that no one he’s killed matters, unlike Scott’s accidental killing of Prof X.

Yes this is an actual line that was said. Cyclops calls out Wolverine’s constant hypocrisy and he retorts without an ounce of shame or self-awareness “No one I killed mattered.”

[up] Granted it was her choice. She wasn’t forced into doing it.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 12th 2021 at 12:16:06 PM

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#126673: Apr 12th 2021 at 12:17:16 AM

I blame that on Jason Aaron being a shit writer.

It's also totally out of character since Logan is practically defined by the guilt he feels over killing certain people, in particular Rose O'Hara.

Edited by M84 on Apr 13th 2021 at 3:19:58 AM

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#126674: Apr 12th 2021 at 6:40:34 AM

So, how should they adress the big elephant in the room? That being that the school is basically a military school and the Danger Room isbasically a soldier training program.

Now, thanks to Thanos and the first Avengers, there exist an excuse to teach the student to use their powers for self defense, but I would show that the room is used primarly and originally on more basic and useful scenes like rescue operations or damage control, and that the self drfense ones where implemented after Thanos.

Also it's used to test the limits of their powers, but without the implication that it' used in a simulation with an enemy. For example Iceman could be seen testing how lo can he make the temperature go,and how long, or Cyclops testing his beam with diferent materials, or going all out with an adamantum wall. And well, more emphasis on it being a school for learning yo control rheir powers, not use them in combat.

And if we are going with the fear and discrimination stuff againts the mutants, I thought they could go with a fusion of X-men Evolution and Cobra Kai of all things. Have the students go to a normal school like in Evolution, but instead of feared they're kind of popular. Then there's frictuon with other mutants (let's say the brotherhood), and like in Cobra Kai, it scalates in a fight in the school ending with a casualty wit a normal human student, which beging the fear on mutants in general.

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#126675: Apr 12th 2021 at 6:51:37 AM

> So, how should they adress the big elephant in the room? That being that the school is basically a military school and the Danger Room isbasically a soldier training program.

Its not though,thats a ridiculous comparison,its an academy of adventure dang it

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