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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126601: Apr 8th 2021 at 4:56:30 PM

Will she be playing someone with singing pipes? wild mass guessDazzler?wild mass guess

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#126602: Apr 8th 2021 at 5:28:24 PM

New look at Disneyland’s upcoming Avengers Campus.

The Doctor Strange one looks pretty.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 8th 2021 at 5:29:07 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126603: Apr 8th 2021 at 6:32:07 PM

I think the concern is that if/when Spidey's movie rights go back to Sony Marvel will do to him what they did to Fantastic Four and X-Men and act like he doesn't exist/create a shitty Expy of him in the comics universe

They didn't do that before Civil War when they didn't have the movie rights to him, so there isn't much reason to fear that they would do it now.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#126604: Apr 8th 2021 at 6:39:29 PM

Tom has one other MCU project besides No Way Home before the deal is fully done. I wonder what it will be?

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#126605: Apr 8th 2021 at 6:43:53 PM

I assume the next Avengers.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126606: Apr 8th 2021 at 6:45:29 PM

Cool news with the Goldsberry casting.

My theory is that either Goldsberry or the previously announced Ginger Gonzaga will be playing Jazinda.

I originally just thought casting Jazinda was a cool idea, but now it seems plausible, both based on the (admittedly very unsurprising) information that one or more actresses would be cast as a "gal pal" for Jennifer, and because of the increasing presence of Skrulls in the MCU.

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#126609: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:31:46 PM

[up][up]Yup. Knew it. Good to have confirmation, though. Again, though, they seem seriously against actually calling him the Mandarin. Is this to distance themselves even further from Iron Man 3 or something?

[up]Geez, I hope not. The classic finger rings are much cooler.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 9th 2021 at 9:33:55 AM

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#126610: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:32:47 PM

Why doesn't the Mandarin have a cool beard? :(

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#126611: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:35:20 PM

[up]Agree with you on that one. The Mandarin is supposed to have a cool, regal appearance and yet from what we've seen he's just gonna look like... some guy in a robe.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 9th 2021 at 9:35:34 AM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126612: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:46:53 PM

That look makes sense in the context of him being a Shang-Chi villain though.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 9th 2021 at 1:00:58 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126613: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:47:53 PM

Plus to prolly give him a less cumbersome outfit to engage in a kung-fu dual with Shang.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126614: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:50:23 PM

Yeah, he's a composite character of Mandarin and Shang-Chi's father.

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#126615: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:51:19 PM

I will say that it's actually a nice contrast to Shang-Chi, who seems to have a stubble beard. Usually, the elder Asian has a beard and his younger heir is shaven-clean. But here, the roles are reversed. As for why the finger rings became arm rings, I presume it's to emphasize the Mandarin as Shang-Chi's main villain, being based more on martial arts rather than Science Versus Magic that was prevalent during his tenure as Iron Man's villain. Either that, or the classic Ten Rings look too much like the Infinity Stones. Either way, I can totally buy that this character is called The Mandarin without coming across as a lazy racial stereotype made during the 50s.

Edited by Shadao on Apr 9th 2021 at 9:52:04 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126616: Apr 9th 2021 at 9:56:24 PM

Again, though, they seem seriously against actually calling him the Mandarin. Is this to distance themselves even further from Iron Man 3 or something?

I looked it up a bit, and while Wenwu doesn't mean the same thing, the name does seems to be a reference to a bit of Chinese philosophy that arguably hits the same "political balance and authority" idea that naming a character "The Mandarin" does.

Given that, I'd imagine the idea was to give the character a name that doesn't have the same stereotypical connotations as Mandarin does, but still has the same general implications.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 9th 2021 at 9:58:28 AM

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#126617: Apr 9th 2021 at 10:15:15 PM

So, are the rings magical or alien tech?

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#126619: Apr 9th 2021 at 11:17:00 PM

And he killed Shang-Chi's dog, too!

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#126620: Apr 9th 2021 at 11:19:23 PM

[up][up][up] Well, that depends if Shang-Chi's mythos would allow aliens to be a centerpiece in the conflict. I mean, even Iron Man eschew the whole alien origin for its "Mandarin" story in favor of a more mundane conflict.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#126621: Apr 10th 2021 at 1:41:01 AM

A Beard of Evil is very common for Yellow Peril villains. This movie seems like its trying to avoid all the racism and stereotypes from the comics.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#126622: Apr 10th 2021 at 1:50:03 AM

It depends on how the beard is done. Highly groomed, effete Wicked Cultured ones with a pencil mustache yes. A full-grown Badass Beard no, as the prevailing Asian stereotypes tend to go in the opposite drection where our men are seen as too effeminate and unmanly to be capable of it.

Edited by AlleyOop on Apr 10th 2021 at 5:24:27 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#126623: Apr 10th 2021 at 2:06:42 AM

[up]It depend, chinise villian have goat to show they are wicked smart but decadent while mongolian or horde villians have full beard to show their barbarianess.

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#126624: Apr 10th 2021 at 6:25:19 AM

I just realized that Fin Fang Foom would be a great villain to have in a Shang-Chi sequel.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126625: Apr 10th 2021 at 9:41:13 AM

I dunno. Fin Fang Foom isn't really thematically in line with what Shang Chi is about. He's just an alien that vaguely looks like a Chinese dragon, and while he is connected to the backstory of the Mandarin's rings, ultimately he's more of an "conquering alien warlord" type. If you're keeping the "kung fu epic" genre for Shang Chi's movies, then Foom is a bit off genre.

If we got Foom in anything, I'd want it to be Guardians. Or, if they keep the tone they have been, one of the future Thor movies.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 10th 2021 at 9:45:00 AM


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