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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#126551: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:07:11 AM

Only because of the X-Men movies. Prior to those, the X-Men were tied with the Avengers and F4, with other teams coming in and out of prominence on the wind.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#126552: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:07:40 AM

And even then the successful versions of the Avengers weren’t even the main Avengers.

The Ultimates and New Avengers both became more profitable and successful than the base team.

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#126553: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:08:08 AM

Yes. That's why I specifically said 15 :-)

A little off topic but has the Justice League's popularity been enduring or was I just born in the 90s?

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 5th 2021 at 12:08:45 PM

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#126554: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:13:08 AM

The Justice League at least once dipped in popularity below the Teen Titans

As the legend goes, this is what led to the Justice League Detroit era

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#126555: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:13:47 AM

I think the Justice League (or variations of it) has always been the main DC super-team, simply by virtue of DC never pushing any other super-team anywhere near as hard.

[nja][up]I stand corrected.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 5th 2021 at 10:14:21 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#126556: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:16:16 AM

Though I think the whole classic “JLA are are akin to the Gods of Earth” only came about during Grant Morrison’s run.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126557: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:24:21 AM

In the 90s, when Doomsday beat them up, they had a lineup once referred to as “the LA Clippers of superhero teams.”

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#126558: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:24:53 AM

Also Busiek’s Avengers was solid quality and supposedly had solid sales (not equivalent to Ultimates but Ultimates was getting promoted a lot more and sold to not the usual comics audience). It’s definitely a high point in avengers but if you’re looking at prominence it likely still is overshadowed by X Men in all of its industry destroying 90s juggernaut glory

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126559: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:27:44 AM

There was the short-lived 90s cartoon with Hank Pym leading the team, but that's about all of the pre-Iron Man representation of the team I know.

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#126560: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:30:07 AM

Oof. United They Stand. I own it but it’s so bad I haven’t gotten through it yet

The West Coast Avengers esque roster was because the more famous Avengers were tied up in rights issues and the aesthetic was to copy Batman Beyond of all things

It’s a glorious train wreck conceptually

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#126561: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:31:08 AM

Hank Pym himself is a weird fusion of Steve and Tony, both of whom appear in the show even.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#126562: Apr 5th 2021 at 12:24:17 PM

There was also a few DTV Avengers movies made before the MCU took off, the two Ultimate Avengers films and Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow. And even then, the latter didn't really star the Avengers, just their kids.

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#126563: Apr 5th 2021 at 12:28:22 PM

I have fondness for that concept. It wasn’t really good but I’d have liked to see it get a few more stories of avenger kids in dystopic wasteland

They were apparently imported into the comics but were evil. Cant find a lot of info how that story went

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126564: Apr 5th 2021 at 12:38:57 PM

[up] I think it was a Bendis thing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126565: Apr 5th 2021 at 4:18:04 PM

Holy shit I did not know that Steve's black suit in Infinity War was based on the Nomad costume.

Never realized that.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126566: Apr 5th 2021 at 4:23:14 PM

Still bothers me he didn't include a Mythology Gag towards it. It'd have been trivial for Steve to comment something like "I'm a nomad now." while explaining his situation to any given character.

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magnet_terp Since: Apr, 2014
#126567: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:33:49 PM

As an aside, I find it aesthetically pleasing that the central atrium of the TVA is based on the atrium of the Atlanta Marriott Marquis, just with digital extensions in all directions and giant statues of the Timekeepers superimposed on the elevator column.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#126568: Apr 5th 2021 at 11:54:05 PM

I'm still incredibly curious about the shot in the Loki trailer where he seems to be inside the soul stone. What in the world do they have planned?

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#126569: Apr 6th 2021 at 2:12:57 AM

[up] Wasn't that the shot where someone looking very much like Nat could be glimpsed?

[down] Oh, that's too bad. I'd have loved to see more of Nat.

Edited by C105 on Apr 6th 2021 at 2:31:10 PM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#126570: Apr 6th 2021 at 5:20:10 AM

That shot I think has been confirmed to be Lady Loki not Nat

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#126571: Apr 6th 2021 at 6:59:52 AM

Sean Bobbitt, the cinematographer of Judas and the Black Messiah, recently revealed he will be the cinematographer for Captain Marvel 2!

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#126572: Apr 6th 2021 at 3:30:03 PM

More Shang-Chi leaks. Spoiler warning. Yup we're definitely getting dragons.

Edited by comicwriter on Apr 6th 2021 at 3:30:52 AM

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#126573: Apr 6th 2021 at 5:37:45 PM

So, wait, pretty much all the merch leaks and casting announcements are calling Tony Leung's character Wenwu. Is the movie just not going to call him the Mandarin then?

Edited by lbssb on Apr 6th 2021 at 5:43:18 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126574: Apr 6th 2021 at 5:58:32 PM

[up] I think the Mandarin title will be referenced and explainednote , but I could easily see the Mandarin being mostly referred to by his actual name in most of the dialogue. Especially by Shang-Chi given that he probably knows what his father's name is even if it's not public knowledge.

Actually side note, has it ever been confirmed that the Mandarin will be Shang-Chi's father in the MCU? It's such a common theory that I'm kind of assuming it's true, but now that I think about it I can't recall it being acknowledged by an official or at least reliable source.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126575: Apr 6th 2021 at 6:04:58 PM

The oddest thing isn't them not using the name Mandarin, but them not using any of the other names Mandarin has gone by over the years (like Zhang Tong) and instead creating a new one - provided Wenwu is meant to be his birth name, at any rate.

However, it makes sense - especially if it is an alias - if it's a reference to this: which would make it still a clever way of giving him a name that's similar in subject matter to what taking the the name Mandarin implies, but distinct and lacking in the additional connotations.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 6th 2021 at 6:06:08 AM


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