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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126526: Apr 3rd 2021 at 12:09:14 PM

New Black Widow Trailer

Guess they finally had to admit that it no longer made sense for the "Final" trailer to be the actual final trailer and cut a new one.

The way this is framed probably ups the chances of the "Entire movie is a flashback experienced by a still-existent Natasha within the Soul Gem" being true a couple notches. Certainly not a confirmation though.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126527: Apr 3rd 2021 at 12:44:23 PM

I’d laugh my ass off if the last shot of the movie was Natasha kool ade manning out of the soul gem

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126528: Apr 3rd 2021 at 3:25:13 PM

So with Godzilla vs. Kong showing off big numbers I wonder if Disney Studios is meeting up regarding about potentially dropping the PA idea for Black Widow and making it theatrical-only again, if not push it up.

Unless Bob Chapek is planning to lay off those executives and write off billions from the studios, of course, which could massively impair future Marvel projects if he does that.

Edited by Mario1995 on Apr 3rd 2021 at 6:25:41 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#126529: Apr 3rd 2021 at 3:56:57 PM

That would be considered potentially false advertising and lead to potentially bad PR.

Just Makima.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126530: Apr 3rd 2021 at 4:09:55 PM

I think the risk/reward calculations still favor leaving Black Widow where it is.

Marvel has plenty of Disney+ shows lined up to build interest in the franchise. And there's still some uncertainty about a new wave of COVID cases in the US over the next couple months.

Finally the high cost of Disney+ premiere access will mean that the only people who pay it are the ones who probably wouldn't go to the theatre at all.

[up] On the subject of false advertising, generally no crime has been committed if the claims were sincere when they were made and money either hasn't yet changed hands or unconditional refunds are offered.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126531: Apr 3rd 2021 at 4:25:01 PM

[up]The wild card is whether or not the cinemas play along. Cinemark's refusal to screen Raya is likely to carry over to Cruella and Black Widow unless Disney caves, and already other major cinema chains have raised a stink (granted, it's not yet on the scale of when Trolls World Tour got dumped out of theaters nor when HBO Max torched WB's 2021 slate, though WarnerMedia keeps trying to distract with shiny Max sub numbers despite Turner and WB suffering for it). If not, not only do the cinemas suffer, but the people who work at Disney's theatrical division, who have more hands-on experience in film than the employees working at Disney streaming services (and have a larger workforce), could take a beating as well.

Edited by Mario1995 on Apr 3rd 2021 at 7:28:27 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#126532: Apr 3rd 2021 at 4:35:37 PM

I'm pretty sure they lost leverage by letting WB doing that stuff with HBO, and if they wanna pick a fight over BW and Cruella they are in for a battle.

Just Makima.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126533: Apr 3rd 2021 at 5:43:12 PM

[up] My understanding is that WB worked out some kind of deal with the major theatre chains to get them to cooperate. Haven't looked into what it was, but offering the theatres a bigger cut of ticket sales would be my guess.

Disney might be inclined to offer a similar deal. Unless they can convince the theatres that this is a temporary measure to deal with the realities of the pandemic.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126534: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:10:53 AM

Loki trailer

Edited by Falrinn on Apr 5th 2021 at 6:11:12 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126535: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:20:19 AM

So Loki's looking to break out of time cop prison, that's very unexpected.

The legend has returned.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126536: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:20:50 AM

Release the Snyder Cut Shang Chi trailer.

Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
_(o)_
#126537: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:24:51 AM

Looks quite fun. I can't wait for this one.

The Final Name
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126538: Apr 5th 2021 at 8:26:43 AM

[up][up] Every time someone responds to the release of a trailer with a demand to release some other trailer, the release the other trailer is pushed back by an hour.note 

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126539: Apr 5th 2021 at 8:30:14 AM

So wait.

They're recruiting Loki because he broke time by grabbing the Tesseract....but that's the fault of the Avengers. Why not make them do it?

One Strip! One Strip!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126540: Apr 5th 2021 at 8:37:54 AM

he's easier to get hold of then the Avengers,probably

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126541: Apr 5th 2021 at 8:39:29 AM

[up] [up]I would guess that it's because the Avengers quickly returned all the stones to the time and place they were removed, thus patching things over well enough, while Loki did not.

Edited by Falrinn on Apr 5th 2021 at 8:39:40 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126542: Apr 5th 2021 at 9:40:18 AM

The trailer seems to imply the way timelines work is that offshoots happen from time to time, but aren't allowed to remain because the time police cracks down on them. We see a chart of the timeline with a bunch of branches poking out if it, and that plus the narration paints a decent picture about what they do.

Meanwhile, this Loki is a "variant" - essentially the same as an "aberration" in Legends of Tomorrow, a version or being that shouldn't exist as he does - so presumably they would have destroyed him or something if they chose not to recruit him instead.

They're recruiting Loki because he broke time by grabbing the Tesseract....but that's the fault of the Avengers. Why not make them do it?

Because the Avengers who did it aren't variants, presumably. They're the prime versions.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 5th 2021 at 9:42:11 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126543: Apr 5th 2021 at 9:50:41 AM

Has Loki ever had dealings with the Time Police in the comics? Or is this a wholesale new plot?

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 5th 2021 at 11:50:53 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126544: Apr 5th 2021 at 9:58:20 AM

Well, that's interesting. Apparently, Mobius (Owen Wilson's character)'s Number Two we see in the trailer (the woman who questions him about Loki) is Ravonna. Like, Kang the Conqueror's eventual wife Ravonna.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 5th 2021 at 9:58:44 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#126545: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:00:46 AM

The Avengers did at least try to go back and repair the initial damage they did. Loki looks like he's done more all on his own (e.g. offshoot timeline(s?) from the original off shoot) which is what he specifically is being tasked with repairing.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126546: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:00:47 AM

Makes a sort of sense. Her association with Kang led to her being associated with time nonsense

The MCU may have Kang originate from the TVA to simplify his origin

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126547: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:01:11 AM

Oh shit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126548: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:03:31 AM

Kang is coming.

Which is really amazing when you think about ten years ago, who outside of super hardcore comic fans even heard of Kang the Conqueror?

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#126549: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:05:38 AM

[up] Those who watched The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes?

But yeah, he's not like an A-list villain outside of comics.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126550: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:05:53 AM

Always fun to remember that 15 years ago the Justice League and the X-Men were the cool superteams and the Avengers were B-list at best.


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