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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#126501: Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:02:57 AM

I'd make a comment about super-math, but I doubt there is a computer good enough to even approach calculating that.

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#126502: Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:15:28 AM

I'm sure this has been debated to death but why didn't Thanos just double the resources or something? It doesn't solve the root cause either but at least you don't kill countless people.

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#126503: Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:16:14 AM

Because Thanos is an insane maniac who wants to believe he is right and won't listen otherwise because when people didn't listen to him the first time things ended badly

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126504: Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:16:34 AM

Word of God has already explained why. It's because Thanos is utterly obsessed with proving that his original "halve the population" plan that got him called "Mad" by the rest of the Titanians would work.

He didn't actually care about fixing anything. He just wanted validation.

Edited by M84 on Apr 3rd 2021 at 1:17:19 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#126505: Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:19:31 AM

Because presumably, that was harder to do, if not impossible under the Infinity Stones power.

What's easier, killing off half of all life in the universe, or doubling the mass/volume of everything non-living in the universe? The latter sounds harder to me. And if it's not doubling the mass of everything non-living, just focusing on "resources", that makes it even harder because then you have to qualify what is a "resource". Sand is super important for making glass, does that make sand a "resource"? What about plants and animals, they're "resources" for food.

[up]Also that, but my explanation could be part of the reason.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:20:13 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126506: Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:19:41 AM

Endgame was intentionally vague on whether the stones even could bring back to life anyone who wasn’t killed by the stones themselves, to sell the “we can only bring back the people who died five years ago and that’s it, not anybody who died since, not anyone who died dramatically in the mission to stop Thanos, nobody” thing in its conclusion that keeps Tony Stark’s sacrifice dramatic.

Because of that, it’s not not clear if Hulk even could have brought back anyone who was collateral damage from the snap, but the answer is likely “no, he didn’t.”

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#126507: Apr 2nd 2021 at 1:52:50 PM

What was the deal with the comment in the first movie that Thanos's old planet was somewhat off in its rotation anyway? Did that ever get followed up or explained anywhere as an alternate reason for why his planet came to ruin?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126508: Apr 2nd 2021 at 1:55:08 PM

The only one who cares about Titan is Thanos himself.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126509: Apr 2nd 2021 at 1:55:12 PM

[up]x2 I think that Thanos said it was caused by a devastating resource conflict, but my memory may be playing tricks on me here.

[nja]'d

Edited by Aleistar on Apr 2nd 2021 at 4:55:33 AM

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#126510: Apr 2nd 2021 at 1:55:25 PM

[up][up][up]I assumed that was the explanation, right there. Thanos was not only wrong about the solution, he was also wrong about the problem.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 2nd 2021 at 1:55:59 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#126511: Apr 2nd 2021 at 1:57:28 PM

At the time I assumed that it was because the resource shortage didn’t ultimately wipe out the Titans and that maybe there was a war what fucked up the planet

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#126512: Apr 2nd 2021 at 2:03:54 PM

Yeah,the impression I got was that Thanos started out as a warlord on his home planet and his conquests began on Titian

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The Head of the Hydra
#126513: Apr 2nd 2021 at 2:10:12 PM

That or a crazy-ass farmer.

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#126514: Apr 2nd 2021 at 2:13:37 PM

Yeah, I prefer the idea that he was just some random farmer who broke into a Senate meeting about their planet's orbit being off due to a recent meteor strike and he started ranting about how their planet was going to die out because they were overusing resources and they needed to cull half the population, and they called him a madman and had security toss him out.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#126515: Apr 2nd 2021 at 4:06:58 PM

I did suggest once upon a time that Thanos's planet was ravaged by a certain Galactus and being the lone survivor drove him to madness

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#126516: Apr 2nd 2021 at 4:13:30 PM

I assumed resource shortage led to warfare over the remaining resources, which effed up the planet.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126517: Apr 2nd 2021 at 4:13:37 PM

Regardless it’s impressive how he went from whatever he was to being the strongest most feared being in the universe.

And at the moment to my knowledge there’s no indication that the Titans are a faction of Eternals so his species doesn’t even appear inherently superpowered.

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#126518: Apr 2nd 2021 at 4:15:24 PM

He is an absolute unit though

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126519: Apr 2nd 2021 at 7:30:16 PM

I used to assume he's a scientist (an element also present sometimes in his 616 self) and he's probably this powerful on biomodifications.

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#126520: Apr 2nd 2021 at 7:41:43 PM

[up] That would also make him even more of a foil for Tony if you think about it.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126521: Apr 2nd 2021 at 7:50:16 PM

Maybe being a naturally Hulk-tier race is why the Titans went extinct in the first place.

Thanos thinks there's not enough resources to sustain life because he doesn't realize most sentient species don't need 600,000 kcal a day.

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nomansham Since: Jul, 2020
#126522: Apr 2nd 2021 at 8:26:14 PM

I don't want to go into Shang Chi expecting a pg-13 version of "The Raid" but I'd really like it if Shang Chi was a pg-13 "The Raid."

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#126523: Apr 2nd 2021 at 9:23:23 PM

I feel Thanos was stuck in the sunk-cost fallacy, he had been duocimating planets for so long that by the time he got on the plan to collect the magic wish granting rocks that doing anything else would be tantamount to admitting he was wrong.

The duocimating started after his planet because, of course, doing anything else eould be admitting he was wrong.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126524: Apr 2nd 2021 at 10:05:39 PM

And yet he admits he's wrong in Endgame when he upgrades it to restarting the universe.

Which, to be fair, is a much more reasonable plan than erasing half of everything and expecting the remaining half to thrive forever.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126525: Apr 3rd 2021 at 12:32:23 AM

In that case it's more about him being pissed that people didn't appreciate what he did. He expected the universe to be grateful to him.

Which just highlights that ultimately it was all about him and his need to be validated.

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