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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#126426: Mar 29th 2021 at 8:52:17 PM

The new Agents of Atlas has a bunch of good ones, although granted a lot of them are on the newer side.

Still. Some cool options there.

I'd watch the hell out of a Crescent and Io show. Sadly she doesn't have a lot of material to base one on.

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 29th 2021 at 11:52:49 AM

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#126427: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:15:19 PM

Another bonus to using the Asian X-Men members is that most of them are Japanese. No need to appease the ccp nor hire problematic mainland chinese actresses who'd spew ccp garbage.

Regarding Agents of Atlas, Wandavision did prove that the MCU's Jimmy Woo does have what it takes to headline a superhero team.

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#126429: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:36:02 PM

He does some cool espionage and there's one quick scene where he beats up a couple guards.

What was he in before Wandvision, by the way? Throughout the whole thing, I knew he was in something else before that but I just couldn't remember what.

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#126431: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:54:38 PM

Jimmy Woo also pretty quick in figuring out that Hayward was not to be trusted and that there was more going on than "Wanda having a mental breakdown"

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#126432: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:09:45 PM

Wanda Vision was really good at showing just how competent Jimmy Woo is. I think he's also genuinely one of my favorite characters in that show.

In terms of Asian superheroes, well, all I'm thinking of is Kamala Khan. Oh, and I guess Cindy Moon, whose solo I did really like.

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#126433: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:23:34 PM

True, Kamala is technically an Asian superhero, given she's Pakistani American and Pakistan is part of South Asia.

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#126434: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:42:57 PM

She was in Agents of Atlas for about five minutes, just long enough to grab lunch. But she was too big a character to stay on the book.

Plus, two teams? She's not Wolverine

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#126435: Mar 30th 2021 at 4:35:04 AM

Right in terms of Asian heroes, the X-Men has Armor, Sunfire and his sister, Psylocke sorta, Xorn, Karma, Sway, & Daken.

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#126436: Mar 30th 2021 at 4:46:58 AM

[up] Betsy and Kwannon are back in their original bodies and Kwannon is using the Psylocke name while Betsy is Captain Britain. So not really a "sorta" there.

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#126437: Mar 30th 2021 at 4:53:41 AM

I meant more that in adaptations Betsy tends to get racelifted into a full Japanese woman.

It happened in Apocalypse and Ultimate Alliance 3.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 30th 2021 at 4:54:02 AM

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#126438: Mar 30th 2021 at 5:03:20 AM

[up] Pretty sure Olivia Munn is biracial.

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#126439: Mar 30th 2021 at 5:12:13 AM

[up][up] UA 3 was a race lift? Didn't know that.

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#126440: Mar 30th 2021 at 5:28:01 AM

[up] At least I think it is.

She has the Kwannon appearance but is named Betsy combined with a very audible British accent so I guess she’s British-Japanese?

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 30th 2021 at 5:28:26 AM

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#126441: Mar 30th 2021 at 6:07:54 AM

It’s the simplest way through the weird plausibly fetishistic race stuff around the characters

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#126442: Mar 30th 2021 at 6:13:34 AM

There's also Yukio (if they're continuing The Wolverine's interpretation of her as a mutant), Surge (Noriko), Indra and the new Sprite among the X-men. I guess Dust as well given she's Afghan.

If the MCU does adapt Psylocke, I hope they get someone of Japanese descent and not go for the interchangeable Asian route. I can imagine Minami Tsukui, Nao Nagasawa or possibly even Rinko Kikuchi in the role given Kwannon in the comics is actually a mother.

I also forgot a couple more Asian X-Men characters, Trinary from X-Men Red and of course Jubilee.

Edited by KRider on Mar 30th 2021 at 6:24:56 AM

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#126443: Mar 30th 2021 at 6:45:54 AM

I know comics!Mantis is Vietnamese, but I'm also pretty sure she runs into a boatload of stereotypes of Asian women. I only know of some other non-Atlas/X-Men ones like Hazmat from Avengers Academy.

In terms of Latino rep, I feel like Marvel's biggest heroes are their more recent legacies, especially Miles Morales (who would be dependent on deal making with Sony). There are also characters like America Chavez who are getting adapted in future projects.

Edited by Aleistar on Mar 30th 2021 at 9:54:52 AM

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#126444: Mar 30th 2021 at 6:52:16 AM

I thought Echo was Native American, not Latina.

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#126445: Mar 30th 2021 at 6:54:39 AM

[up] Huh, you're right. For some reason I thought she was both, but apparently she is only Native. My bad; I'll edit the original post.

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#126446: Mar 30th 2021 at 6:58:43 AM

[up][up][up] A bit of my issue there, can't really think of many Latino heroes that can stand on their own.

Like Black Panther and Luke Cage are their own guys but Miles and to use a DC example Jessica Cruz from Green Lanterns are kinda cluttered from being very connected to other heroes.

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#126447: Mar 30th 2021 at 7:06:51 AM

[up] I can think of a few (the White Tigers, Silverclaw, Living Lightning) but you're right that the most prominent ones are ither mutants or legacies of some kind.

Edited by Aleistar on Mar 30th 2021 at 10:07:07 AM

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#126448: Mar 30th 2021 at 7:12:01 AM

[up]x4 In the comics, she's both. Mexican from her father's side, Native from her mother's.

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#126449: Mar 30th 2021 at 7:16:32 AM

[up][up] The issue with legacies is and Joaqin Torres is a good example.

Falcon gets promoted to Cap, becomming the MC MC. We get a new Falcon in Torres who is a major supporting character of Sam.

Sam then loses the Cap title, being demoted to Major Supporting Character of Cap which means Torres gets demoted into comic book limbo, being at most a reserve member of the Champions.

Same with Sam Alexander. Once the Richard Rider Nova came back, Sam lost his placement as the galaxy's defender and is now just shunted off into group comics like Champions.

With Green Lantern, Jess has to fight for spotlight with the other GL's including other minority characters. Simon Baz who is a rare Middle-Eastern Lebanese man has been completly shunted by DC in favor of giving Jess all the spotlight.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 30th 2021 at 7:19:26 AM

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#126450: Mar 30th 2021 at 7:17:34 AM

Reptil is good

And he’s even recently come back to life from having a nuke explode in his mouth

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