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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126376: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:16:45 AM

I'd argue that's Marvel, needing the X-men to be like that.

But I suppose the difference is growing more and more academic as time goes on.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#126377: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:22:52 AM

To get a bit back on topic, what are your hopes and fears for the Shang Chi movie?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126378: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:25:08 AM

My biggest fear would be the fight choreography not being up to par and the Mandarin being an underwhelming villain.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#126380: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:28:42 AM

I'm not too worried about MCU villains being underwhelming anymore, they seem to have gotten a pretty good hold on how to make good villains now, and the Mandarin being the father of the protagonist makes for some very easy potential drama.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126381: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:28:48 AM

[up] x5 Xavier was also perfectly happy to make out with the empress of an enormous space empire

And Lilandra was better than Mad Emperor D'ken and Deathbird but no massive empire is good

And Xavier tacitly condoned that all on the lips

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 29th 2021 at 12:29:03 PM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#126382: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:33:03 AM

Mostly the usual worries on how they'll handle diversity. And what CCP appeasement moves they'll pull.

Wake me up at your own risk.
djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#126383: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:36:01 AM

[up][up] Pretty sure they did more than kiss. "More", like holding hands, the lewd bastards.

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Lost in Space
#126384: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:36:17 AM

"So what's the villain's deal?"

"Oh, you're going to love this. The villain... is EVIL."

"Wow, wow, wow."

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126385: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:37:39 AM

I’m going to be honest, I wouldn’t have greenlit it. Between obligatory CCCP appeasement, the inevitable complaints of Unfortunate Implications from a studio that really has issues with Asian representation, it feels like waddling into a minefield for no good reason. Mulan only heightened those concerns.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 29th 2021 at 12:41:12 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126386: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:44:35 AM

I think Shang-Chi is also a gigantic minefield with Marvel's bad track record with CCP appeasement (the Doctor Strange stuff is downright shameful). If Marvel had some guts it could be downright revolutionary, considering Shang-Chi (and the general Kung fu mystical side of Marvel as a whole) obviously harkens to the Hong Kong film school (more specifically, their Kung Fu films), and Hong Kong is currently being steamrolled by China. They could make something sticking up for Hong Kong, if they wanted since the elements are there (Hell, the villain is called The Mandarin, the very dialect trying to extinguish HK's Cantonese by blind accident).

But the odds of that are astronomically low.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126387: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:46:08 AM

Its rather telling how little Asian heroes there are considering our first movie starring an Asian protagonist is the character whose superpower is literally just "I know kung-fu".

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126388: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:47:04 AM

All the Asian rep went to live in Agents of SHIELD

And then Marvel went 'who is that?'

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126389: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:49:52 AM

And considering the only characters I know there are Quake and Ghost Rider, thats saying something.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126390: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:52:20 AM

[up]x3 - And his father was Fu Manchu!

To be fair, Jim Starlin had a My God, What Have I Done? moment after Larry Hama (at least that’s what the original article said) showed him a Fu Manchu novel and went “Dude, shit is racist.”

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 29th 2021 at 12:54:39 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#126391: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:55:04 AM

And in Quake's case, she wasn't Asian until the show.

Its rather telling how little Asian heroes there are considering our first movie starring an Asian protagonist is the character whose superpower is literally just "I know kung-fu".

I recall reading somewhere he'll have the power to make duplicates of himself. His Supernatural Martial Arts could also grant him other abilities.

Also, with Amadeus Cho's mother established in the MCU maybe we can get him in a future movie or show.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126392: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:59:55 AM

Shit I can name several black heroes but my mind really stretches trying to come up with an Asian one.

Also Latinos now that I think about it, huh.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 29th 2021 at 10:05:50 AM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#126393: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:03:28 AM

I could see Amadeus appearing as part of some sort of Agents of Atlas adaptation, that could work.

And if Ruffalo ever leaves the MCU, they could do the Totally Awesome Hulk stuff.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126394: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:04:01 AM

[up][up]Latinos have it rather poor. The MCU might finally be introducing one in Falcon II but we’ll see. Moon Knight for the MCU is confirmed Latino, which helps I suppose.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 29th 2021 at 1:04:14 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#126395: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:04:44 AM

Speaking of Agents of Atlas, we've still got Jimmy Woo, who I think a spinoff is being penned for.

And if there isn't one, there should be, because I would just love to see more of this guy.

Edited by lbssb on Mar 29th 2021 at 10:17:37 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126396: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:22:14 AM

Jimmy Woo is in fact one of the few asian superheroes in comics more or less wholly divorced from martial arts in the comics, being more of a James Bond type (so he's competent at martial arts in a general "super-spy" sense but he's not really a martial arts master). In the MCU he's even more divorced from martial arts by virtue of Adaptational Wimp (though still pretty good at hand-to-hand combat as Wandavision showed). Granted the MCU did change him from Chinese-American to Korean-American, but the latter are still associated with Taekwondo.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126397: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:41:59 AM

So in the film Shang Chi will make duplicates? I guess my question then is who will make the Naruto joke and how hard will Shang Chi punch him?

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 29th 2021 at 1:42:19 PM

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djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#126400: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:54:09 AM

Hercules?

I'm not even joking, I saw his picture and immediately thought "Hercules?"


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