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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#126326: Mar 26th 2021 at 10:25:25 AM

She still gained her powers through terrigenesis, so they'd need to find an alternate way for her to have them.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#126327: Mar 26th 2021 at 10:29:36 AM

Yeah, complete with the whole freaky cocoon. They couldn't leave that without explaining it.

I wouldn't be too surprised if she just had some unique mutate origin. Don't really know what would fit her though.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#126328: Mar 26th 2021 at 10:33:22 AM

I mean, do they need to do anything with it, though?

I feel like at this point we've genuinely reached a time where they could keep the whole Inhuman thing, right down to the weird cocoon in her first episode, and just not even begin to explain it until halfway through the show. Make the fact that she doesn't understand where the powers even came from part of the "mystery". I think Marvel's built up enough goodwill that the people who aren't comics fans (or even just Inhumans fans) won't mind the questions, and the people who do know should be kind of used to certain elements from the comics being treated as surprises (Bucky as the Winter Soldier, Mysterio, etc.).

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#126329: Mar 26th 2021 at 10:36:18 AM

Part of why Kamala Khan as a character took off with such popularity was because of how accessible her origin story is even if new readers had never heard of Inhumans.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 26th 2021 at 10:36:33 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#126330: Mar 26th 2021 at 10:56:57 AM

She still gained her powers through terrigenesis, so they'd need to find an alternate way for her to have them.

Do they? Freaky mist gives her powers. She spends the season trying to find out what happened and then we get an explanation as things progress. You don't need to do an exact 1:1 adaptation of the original Inhumanity event to still have her be an Inhuman.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126331: Mar 26th 2021 at 11:34:23 AM

Yeah. I know a lot of people are kinda dunking on the Inhumans, and her lack of connection to them makes it easy to cut them out, but if it's not necessary, then I don't think they need to do it.

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#126332: Mar 26th 2021 at 11:50:38 AM

I honestly think Inhumans is likelier than mutants. Mysterious power granting cloud gives Kamala something to look into and it doesn’t step on the toes of any upcoming X project

Since the Inhumans movie was cancelled and everyone would like to pretend that the show didn’t happen, Ms Marvel lets marvel relitigate the concept

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126333: Mar 26th 2021 at 3:54:35 PM

I don't think Kamala's origin would lose much if she was just born with superpowers that manifested in her teen years, or got bitten by a radioactive rubber band or whatever. Her story as the trip to meet the Inhumans and Lockjaw, but neither it nor where her powers came from really affect what she's about and the things she faces.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126334: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:14:52 PM

On a humorous note.

This is the laziest version of evil heroes I've ever seen.

Like imagine if evil Black Widow is just regular Black Widow........ but with eye shadow.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126337: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:23:12 PM

[up]x3 - Evil Cap is just US Agent?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126338: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:25:17 PM

Cap's the only one wearing a new costume the US Agent outfit.

What the Hell Iron Man's color scheme is just the Mark 42 from the 2012 Iron Man run. They couldn't even pick a color scheme from an actual evil character like the Superior Iron Man.

And Hawkeye's color scheme is just his Ultimate look who granted was an anti-hero but he also wasn't a villain either.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#126339: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:40:35 PM

IIRC, that was just result of the Squadron Supreme screwing around with the Reality Stone so they were the heroes while the Avengers were bad guys. So, I guess the laziness there kind of makes sense?

... No, no it doesn't.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 26th 2021 at 7:40:56 AM

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#126340: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:51:54 PM

Laziness and half assed basically sums up that cartoon as a whole

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#126341: Mar 26th 2021 at 5:25:31 PM

Ahh, Avengers Assemble. The half-assed successor to Earth's Mightiest Heroes. We were done dirty there, folks.

Anyway...

Spider-Man: No Way Home wrapped filming and the film crew got some swag with some...curious details.

The shirt has what most definitely appears to be the Spider-Suit from Amazing Spider-Man 1 and a card on the lower left uses the signature font from the Raimi films...

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126342: Mar 26th 2021 at 5:37:06 PM

One of the top comments suggests that the Amazing Spidey suit being on the primary cast shirt of the movie wasn't intended to be literal, and I'd be inclined to agree. After all, even if Amazing Spidey was in the film, why would he and not Tom Holland's Spidey be on the actual crew clothing?

It's worth noting, however, that pretty much everything on that table is a reference to bits of Spidey's history, be it comic covers, old merch, etc.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 26th 2021 at 5:38:04 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#126343: Mar 26th 2021 at 6:04:20 PM

[up]

One of the top comments suggests that the Amazing Spidey suit being on the primary cast shirt of the movie wasn't intended to be literal, and I'd be inclined to agree. After all, even if Amazing Spidey was in the film, why would he and not Tom Holland's Spidey be on the actual crew clothing?

All right, that's a fair point. But it's still weird the suit's there in the first place.

It's worth noting, however, that pretty much everything on that table is a reference to bits of Spidey's history, be it comic covers, old merch, etc.

I couldn't help but notice one of the goodies (namely the one with Spidey holding what appears to be a color palette thingie) reminds me of that one screenshot they like using for the Insomniac game to promote that game's Photo Mode. Or something.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#126344: Mar 27th 2021 at 4:42:56 AM

I mean, surely evil Black Widow is just Black Widow who never turned good, so there's an argument that she should look exactly the same.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#126345: Mar 27th 2021 at 6:12:11 AM

So, I just saw a clickbaity new on my feed saying that Snyder recieved another proposal from Marvel to direct a movie.

Ignoring the fact that it's fake and just clickbait, it made me wonder what hero could benefit from his style, just for fun.

The obvious answer I came with was Daredevil. He goes well with all the religious allegory Snyder likes to use, the dark and noir aesthetic his movies tend to be, and the Batman fight scenes from his previous movies showing he can do the same with Daredevil.

The big problem being in (surprise there) the narrative, with the big ones being Snyder's tendency of making heroes feeling grandoise, above humanity (which goes against Daredevil being a street-level hero) and his tendency of making heroes use lethal force even in situations they shouldn't, and believing heroes should kill, which again, goes againts what Daredevil is.

But the thing is, with Marvel Studios involved, and after all the criticism that the Netflix show got regarding the hand and Matt's indiference about killing Nobu, I can see them covering Snyder weaknesses and reining down his more out of there ideas. So basically, it would be a experiment to see if with someone (competent) taking care of the narrative we could get an amazing movie from him that ends being liked by everyone and not only to his fans.

But, it never going to happen as Snyder likes the freedom to do what he wants and Marvel isn't looking for his style on their movies.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126347: Mar 27th 2021 at 6:50:37 AM

[up][up][up] At the very least, maybe have her wear a mask or something instead of really deep eyeshadow. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126348: Mar 27th 2021 at 9:05:05 AM

I don't like the idea of Snyder with any mainstream superhero I can think of, to be honest. He's just not competent as an artist and his ideological leanings go from distracting to downright toxic with the Objectivism.

Daredevil has elements suited to his strenghts (religious imagery, violence, prominent link to Frank Miller) but also that can play to his weaknesses (mysoginism and retrogade social beliefs, Miller's achilles heels). Snyder is the kind of guy who'd do Karen Page becoming a cocaine-addicted pornstar who sold Daredevil's identity for a quick buck unironically (that was an actual bit from the comics that the show deliberately skipped out) if he could.

Besides, there's not much to be done with an adaptation of DD for me. The netflix show was already so close to pitch-perfect I can't think of an effort that would really add anything. It's a tough hill to climb.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#126349: Mar 27th 2021 at 9:14:27 AM

Snyder's stated he doesn't agree with Rand's philosophy and the only reason he likes The Fountainhead is because his mom taught it at school.

His superhero work isn't really anymore Randian than the genre is on its own (if I'm being honest, I see more Randian philosophy in the MCU, particularly the Captain America movies, especially Civil War, and Wanda Vision).

That said, I don't want or need to see him direct an MCU film. And that's all I'll say on the matter.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 27th 2021 at 9:15:00 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126350: Mar 27th 2021 at 10:30:16 AM

Snyder claim about the Fountainhead was more precisely this:

‘The Fountainhead’… It’s still important to me, but it’s a really touchy subject right now,” said Snyder. “People will think it’s hardcore right-wing propaganda, but I don’t view it like that. I just think the story is super fun and crazy and melodramatic about architecture and sex.”

I have been working on ‘The Fountainhead.’ I’ve always felt like ‘The Fountainhead’ was such a thesis on the creative process and what it is to create something. Warner Bros. owns [Ayn Rand’s] script and I’ve just been working on that a little bit.”
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I don't know if you've read the Fountainhead or tried to read the Fountainhead (I don't recommend it, it's a terrible book) but reading it and going "I like it for the plot, not the political message" is somewhere between willful obliviousness and intellectual dishonesty, particularly when coupled with Snyder saying "it's such a good thesis for the creative process" (when the creative thesis posited in The Fountainhead is its most obvious Objectivism display) and him trying to defend Ayn Rand as some sort of progressive figure because she stood against Reagan and would probably stand against Trump.

And that's without getting into his actual films, since that's a more hot-button topic and outside of that thread's scope.

I'm pretty safe, based on those interviews alone, on calling him a man with Objectivist leanings (if not a full-blown Randian in identity crisis or pretending not to be one).

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