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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126276: Mar 24th 2021 at 5:08:30 AM

I feel like there’s a vocal minority that thinks he’s going to leave over Black Widow due to being worrywarts.

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djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#126277: Mar 24th 2021 at 5:36:59 AM

[up] From what I've seen here, by people who posted about him leaving, they're hoping he quits for whatever reason.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#126278: Mar 24th 2021 at 5:45:18 AM

It is clear the "rear view mirror" idea of the pandemic for theaters is downright silly. It shorted the theatrical window, spawned more streaming services, and now even Disney is changing its plans. It has significantly impacted Hollywood.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126279: Mar 24th 2021 at 5:50:19 AM

[up]They're not really "changing plans" if all movies post-July are still theater-bound. If Disney really saw that the future was streaming they would exit theatrical right now, dump everything to streaming right now, and impose mass layoffs right now.

Also, it hasn't really "spawned" more streamers given how they were planned pre-pandemic. All the streamers outside of D+/Hulu/ESPN+ and HBO Max have no future whatsoever because they do not have the IP to draw people.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 24th 2021 at 8:53:36 AM

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Too old for this
#126280: Mar 24th 2021 at 6:18:24 AM

Maybe by July theatres will be open again in my bloody country, where they have been closed since late October. Otherwise I guess I'll have to use some illegals means to watch the movie until I can buy the DVD, as I'm not ready to make the jump to D+.

As for Feige, I really don't see how that would make him leave. As far as I know, he has not put his quitting in the balance for the release of this movie (unlike what happened for the TV shows), so this should only be a minor setback for him, and I don't think Disney will part from one of their golden geese unless he does something really stupid or finds himself involved into one of those cancel culture scandals.

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djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#126281: Mar 24th 2021 at 7:34:19 AM

Frankly, it would have been better if they found a way to just put the movie for 30 dollars- or less, because D+ isn't theatre- without the need for subscription.

Edited by djoki996 on Mar 24th 2021 at 7:35:03 AM

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Brightness
#126282: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:31:54 AM

The idea that Feige would leave (or be made to leave) over this makes about as much logical sense as the idea that Kathleen Kennedy is perpetually about to be fired and replaced by Dave Filoni.

Which is to say it makes no logical sense, and the only question is what motivates such speculations (regarding to Feige, we all know exactly where the Kennedy rumors come from).

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126283: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:43:03 AM

My biggest concern is that the people who want to see BW the most and have D+ but don't want to go to theaters nor pay the $30 will just pirate it. No way you can recoup a $150-200 million movie with that risk, as WB are finding out the hard way.

And it's not like those people are poor. Many of these people think being a YouTuber is a better career opportunity (good luck paying for insurance and rent with that!) than actually working at an entertainment company.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 24th 2021 at 11:48:47 AM

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TaranUlas from Look within the Labyrinth within the Warp. There Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#126284: Mar 24th 2021 at 6:24:33 PM

Okay, just going to be blunt here from a business perspective, Disney was stuck between two shitty options:

  • So you release the film this summer. Well, most countries will not be over Covid by the summer (Hell, we just might be over it by next year at best in the First World Countries) and most people are not going to go to the theaters (If they're like me, it's just because waiting for the vaccine to reach them since death is not worth entertainment.) As a result, you have to put it on Disney + or else you aren't getting any money back period from the majority of the world (Again, most people are not going to risk death for a film unless it is literally life changing.) This does definitely reduce the amount of profit you make, but it's at least guaranteed profit and at least you know Disney + will get you some income.

  • You put forth another delay. This sounds good, but it is extremely uncertain to say the least. After all, you've already done multiple delays because of this pandemic and there are rumblings of potential issues with the vaccination/treatment of the pandemic (Rightfully or wrongfully.) In addition, these constant delays are butchering any hype that the MCU's phase 4 has and every single delay is just putting yet another nail into the MCU's coffin (After all, where does the MCU go now that Thanos and the OG crew are dead/scattered? This has to be answered and the longer it takes, the less of a shit people are going to give.) In addition, you still gotta pay for advertising and such so the amount of money continues to rise.

Do Feige and Disney really want to put BW on Disney+? Probably not. At this point, with the way this year is going and how last year went though, you take the opportunity you can get at this point. You accept the most likely loss on BW (It was most likely a loss since delay number 2) and you just move on. While it's shit, it's Disney so they can recover more easily from a shit year or two.

Kevin Feige isn't going to leave because Feige likely sat down and had the conversation with Disney where this was explained to him. He is an adult and while he is probably not happy about this, I would imagine that this isn't a "Fuck you lot, peace!" situation. That would be if Disney did that immediately without talking to him. Let's chill on assuming the worst of the situation. To be honest, I just wish Disney didn't charge 30 fucking dollars for it. Do they think I go to luxury theaters? I usually spend 10-20 dollars at most when I went to the theaters. I'd be perfectly willing to pay 10-20 dollars per viewing instead. Hell, just have a rent and/or purchase option there and they'd probably be doing better financially.

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The Head of the Hydra
#126285: Mar 24th 2021 at 6:25:48 PM

I'm just now reminded, isn't Echo currently dead in the comics?

Didn't she die in the Bendis Moon Knight run?

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126286: Mar 24th 2021 at 6:31:00 PM

[up] I believe she is actually in the current arc of the main Avengers booknote , but I don't know how she is alive again.

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Funny but not helpful
#126287: Mar 24th 2021 at 6:50:33 PM

She may be dead again. She got Namor’d pretty hard

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#126288: Mar 24th 2021 at 6:59:05 PM

She turned into an amnesiac homeless person?

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Funny but not helpful
#126289: Mar 24th 2021 at 7:05:44 PM

Very possibly

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#126290: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:24:10 PM

I have finished Wandavision. I loved it, I've been wanting a Wanda-focused movie or show ever since she debuted in Age of Ultron and became my favorite female superhero in the MCU, and this delivered. This was everything I wanted out of a Wanda-focused show, and more.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126291: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:31:20 PM

From what I've seen on her TV Tropes profile, she's considered to be a bottom of the barrel hero in terms of importance. Which is going to be super ironic in a little while.

The legend has returned.
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#126292: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:33:21 PM

Well, this show felt like it was made specifically for me, I always loved Wanda, her powers, her personality, and all of her intricacies and faults.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126293: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:34:26 PM

Oh shoot, I was talking about Echo, not Wanda, sorry about that.

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#126294: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:38:32 PM

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, I was wondering who would consider Wanda bottom-of-the-barrel. I know a lot of people didn't like her in AOU and CW, but that seems a bit extreme.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126295: Mar 24th 2021 at 8:48:30 PM

That’s why Echo getting her own show is a big achievement.

Like’s a pretty big nobody, having had not much relevance ceiling ever since she got fridged in Moon Knight in 2011.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126296: Mar 25th 2021 at 2:01:53 AM

The fun thing with the constant delays the movies are suffering is that we may end up with the MCU back in sync with the real world. With Endgame taking place in 2023 if I'm correct, we only need a couple of years to have phase Four movies being released at their in-universe years.

(yeah, well, trying to find a silver lining there)

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#126297: Mar 25th 2021 at 2:05:40 AM

And, funnily enough, both timeskips were due to a global catastrophe and unprecedented mass loss of life! What a... fun... wacky... coincidence. Right? Funny... yeah...

No Infinity Gauntlet to fix things here, though...

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#126298: Mar 25th 2021 at 12:38:54 PM

A batch of concept art from Doctor Strange 2 and some upcoming TV shows has leaked, including the first look at the outfits for Wong, Mordo, Miss America, Echo and Clea.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126299: Mar 25th 2021 at 1:04:16 PM

Kamala’s hero outfit looks very comic accurate, I see.

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#126300: Mar 25th 2021 at 1:19:55 PM

Black pants on America (or is it a jumpsuit?) is unexpected but interesting, though I think her pants should match her red white and jean blue color scheme more.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 25th 2021 at 1:21:37 AM


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