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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#126251: Mar 23rd 2021 at 12:56:43 PM

I think they will. Pretty sure my usual geek pals will go into the theaters if we are able to get our pokes in time. If not pretty sure the group of us can get 30 bucks between the 5 of us with two D+ accts among them

Feige may have had to toss in the towel on this, he was against it but the movie has been delayed a year already they can't keep pushing it back. I only hope they are making sure the talent still gets paid

Edited by ShadowWingLG on Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:58:14 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#126252: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:00:55 PM

I wonder if there's contractual issues for how long a film can be held back upon.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126253: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:10:14 PM

[up]Very good question. I have to assume that there are also issues of theatrical gross and similar perks to hash out as well.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126254: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:14:48 PM

Plus the Widow family looks cool.

I was really looking forward to the Red Room family stuff and thought Red Guardian looked like a fun character.

Plus Natasha's relationship with Yelena.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126255: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:21:41 PM

Also I just realised this but Kong/Godzilla comes out in top after th is. It wil have the cinemas as the only big release till late june. Damn

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126256: Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:40:09 PM

[up][up][up][up]Ummmm....they already did push it back anyway. Disney's strangling its profitable studio division for the sake of an industry that has traditionally lost money.

And before you say "But Netflix was cash flow positive in 2020!", there was a pandemic shutdown that shuttered production everywhere. They didn't have anything to spend the money on.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 23rd 2021 at 5:45:15 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#126257: Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:47:04 PM

Even though I already have D+, I'm not paying for Premier Access. I'd be watching alone, and the extra charge feels like too much for me. If I'm safely vaccinated by then I'll see it in a cinema. If not, guess I've gotta wait.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126258: Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:52:21 PM

[up][up]No, they have to strike a balance. The past year has shown that no matter how clean theaters claim themselves to be the public is not turning out for them (ain't that right Nolan?). The film is only collecting dust and interest in it will wane more the longer they push it back — Natasha has been dead for almost 2 IRL years now, so her character does not have the momentum it did in 2019. Hybrid release is really the best option for this one.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 23rd 2021 at 4:52:59 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126259: Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:57:06 PM

[up]I have seen zero peer-reviewed/analytical evidence that momentum for BW has died down. (Do not cite social media as evidence; that's like citing Wikipedia for a school/college project, it's not reliable).

Also, none of this will matter if Feige or other Marvel creatives quit in protest.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 23rd 2021 at 5:57:44 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
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#126261: Mar 23rd 2021 at 3:24:58 PM

One has to remember that the Hollywood industry (and that includes Disney) underestimated the full impact of the COVID-19. They thought it would just go away in the summer, just a few month delay. And thus releasing films in theaters and streaming would be jumping the gun, a quick cash grab decision...

Until it became clear that this pandemic was going much longer than expected and is not shrinking any time soon. A pandemic that lasted more than a year. A year loss of potential profits for theaters. And with the success of Wonder Woman 1984 in theaters and streaming, suddenly the idea of simultaneous release spearheaded by Warner Bros doesn't sound as bad for the executives.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126262: Mar 23rd 2021 at 3:30:08 PM

[up]"Success"

WW84 lost WB $100 million at the box office. HBO Max is stuck at 17 million subs (not 37 million, that includes standard HBO subs). Subscriber gains are negligent and the ad-supported tier, with it not including the same day movies, is unlikely to boost numbers. The day to date strategy is not working and is costing WB even more money than if they just delayed everything.

See what happened to DirecTV? WarnerMedia is likely next and Disney may end up being forced to do something similar to its studios if they aren't careful.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 23rd 2021 at 6:33:51 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
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Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#126263: Mar 23rd 2021 at 3:35:53 PM

[up] Then why is Disney pursuing the same strategy?

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126264: Mar 23rd 2021 at 3:40:11 PM

[up]It's not the same strategy. At all. Stop comparing Disney to that trash phone company.

Disney's making people pay for tentpoles on top of Disney+ subscriptions, HBO Max isn't. And Disney movies dated for September onwards are still sticking to theaters only and likely will as vaccines are ending the pandemic.

As for Luca, Disney probably saw more merchandise value for that over theatrical.

Also, there hasn't been layoffs at Disney Studios on the scale of WB (at least not yet), because Disney actually wants to make money while AT&T views WM like a Chinese sweatshop or corporate-controlled farm for their shit platforms and nothing more.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 23rd 2021 at 6:43:47 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#126265: Mar 23rd 2021 at 3:43:03 PM

[up] I was referring to simultaneous release strategy, which has become the new status quo. But sure, let's not accept the grim reality that COVID-19 had inflicted upon the world.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126266: Mar 23rd 2021 at 3:45:49 PM

[up]Again, they aren't doing it for the whole slate like WB is. And they're still charging people for it.

Also, this pandemic will likely be in the rearview mirror in the US by late summer-early fall.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126267: Mar 23rd 2021 at 4:07:35 PM

Got to be honest, I find the idea that Kevin Feige would quit in protest over the release of one movie under atypical circumstances to be bizarre.

Sure we know he didn't want to do a simultaneous theatre/digital release, which is almost certainly why it wasn't made official until now. But there's a massive difference between "not wanting a thing to happen" and "willing to quit over a thing happening". The only time he came close to quitting in protest was due to putting up with the overbearing penny-pinching leadership of Pearlmutter for close to a decade.

Heck, there's a decent chance that the main reason it's happening now is that he was convinced to make an exception in this case.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126268: Mar 23rd 2021 at 4:09:59 PM

I feel bad for this film. It was supposed to be the long awaited solo film for one of franchises longest running characters and seemed to be 1 billion easy. Only for that to not be possible at this point.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#126269: Mar 23rd 2021 at 4:10:30 PM

[up]x3 I think I said this in the COVID thread but remember that "pandemic in the rearview mirror by f/w 2021" is a first world dream. Vaccine inequality is real and global box office is also a thing they have their eye on.

I just don't understand why you're so adamant that the hybrid release is the worst thing ever? It sucks but it's a compromise and not exclusive to Disney — hell, a significant portion of the Oscar slate this year is PVOD. Not everybody can go to theaters as vaccination rates rise.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 23rd 2021 at 6:12:44 AM

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#126270: Mar 23rd 2021 at 4:24:19 PM

Alrighty, so less than happy about the idea for a number of reasons:

  • $30 is way too much on top of a subscription service. I know it's intended with families and other people in mind, but the blu-ray would only be $25, and then I'd actually own the movie.
  • It's a really shitty thing to do to Black Widow specifically given the long and difficult road to get this character her own movie at all.
  • It honestly makes all the constant pushbacks feel pointless to ultimately do it now (when apparently they're confident enough that pushing Shang-Chi back to September is sufficient). I don't buy the "there's something big in the movie that future installments will spoil" because, like, say Yelena's in Hawkeye (I THINK that was confirmed?). Who cares? This is already an interquel starring a character who we know dies a few years later, I don't think it's going to have the big impact the studio seems to think it's going to have.

All told, really hoping I get the vaccine beforehand so I can see this in theaters guilt-free, because I'm certainly not paying for premiere access.

Edited by Khfan429 on Mar 23rd 2021 at 4:25:00 AM

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#126271: Mar 23rd 2021 at 4:32:45 PM

[up] I'm already vaccinated (twice) and theaters are opening up here. I plan to watch Raya and Godzilla vs Kong because I want my big screens, damnit!

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#126272: Mar 23rd 2021 at 5:34:20 PM

The only saving grace of this is that it will most likely perform better than WW84 given that it won't be obtainable for free in any legal circumstance.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126273: Mar 23rd 2021 at 10:27:00 PM

Feige is producing or E Ping over ten projects for the MCU at the moment, slated for release between now and the end of 2022.

I can't imaging him quitting or being fired until at least the end of next year unless something truly awful happens, like with Snyder on Justice League.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126274: Mar 23rd 2021 at 11:07:06 PM

Of course Feige isn't going to leave over just this alone. Why would he? It wasn't even something he wanted to do in the first place nor does he have any control over it. It isn't on him.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126275: Mar 23rd 2021 at 11:20:19 PM

I can't see anywhere else he would go that would grant him (or have the ability to give him) the same level of creative power and synchronized team talent he'd be used to.


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