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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#126176: Mar 18th 2021 at 1:33:24 PM

Didn't they eventually say Helstrom wasn't part of the MCU once it was clear the Adventure into Fear thing wasn't happening?

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#126177: Mar 18th 2021 at 1:33:39 PM

I thought it had been cancelled or something.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126178: Mar 18th 2021 at 1:34:25 PM

I’ve never even heard of Helstrom before.

The legend has returned.
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#126179: Mar 18th 2021 at 1:36:11 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I'm the guy who split it from the rest of the franchise. This and this why.

[down] Most definitely.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Mar 18th 2021 at 1:39:46 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#126181: Mar 18th 2021 at 1:42:02 PM

Probably not. But the fact that he was given a doomed project would be a better way to say it.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126182: Mar 18th 2021 at 1:46:43 PM

It was D.O.A as a project that basically happened while the deal was terminated, but it is still based on a Marvel property. So it's a Marvel property, even if retroactively ruled out of the MCU.

Edited by Gaon on Mar 18th 2021 at 1:47:14 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126183: Mar 18th 2021 at 1:51:04 PM

Heh you can tell this is not the first time this has happened with Hank.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#126184: Mar 18th 2021 at 5:16:50 PM

One last TV spot before tomorrow.

alanh Since: May, 2010
#126185: Mar 18th 2021 at 9:32:29 PM

It seems like the original idea was to keep making Netflix-style TV-MA shows and put them on on Hulu. Ghost Rider was also supposed to be part of the package. But at some point they decided to stick to TV-PG13 shows on Disney+ and just burned off the one season of Helstrom that was done.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#126186: Mar 18th 2021 at 11:08:59 PM

This was the result of Kevin Feige getting complete control over Marvel's TV output. The previous shows were done under the purview of Jeph Loeb's division, which has since been shuttered. That's part of the reason the new shows have a much greater degree of connectivity to the movies than stuff like Agents of SHIELD or the Netflix shows did.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126187: Mar 19th 2021 at 3:57:56 AM

Huh I just now thought of this after thinking about War Machine’s upcoming Armor Wars show.

Who’s designing/upgrading the armors now?

Like Tony was the one maintaining, upgrading, and just coming up with all sorts of new stuff for his, Rhodey, and Pepper’s armors. So whose gonna develop the Mark VIII (Endgame’s armor was the Mark VII/7) now that’s he’s gone?

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 19th 2021 at 3:58:43 AM

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#126188: Mar 19th 2021 at 4:47:32 AM

Rocket?

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#126189: Mar 19th 2021 at 5:10:51 AM

Rocket, Riri Williams... Maybe that Harley kid as well? Peter Parker also got his hands on some Stark tech. Probably not going to take over full time but certainly he could play a part, depending on how his own life goes.

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Former King
#126190: Mar 19th 2021 at 5:12:07 AM

Rhodey and Pepper might have learned how to make them by now.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126191: Mar 19th 2021 at 6:16:44 AM

In Far From Home Peter used some kind of armour 3D-printer (nanites can do everything...), and that was a small one fitting on a plane. Tony probably left a few more of those around (probably at least in the Avengers compound). So there may not be a breakthrough in armour design, but anybody with an access to one can now mix and match the armour of their choice.

And I guess Shuri or Bruce could find new improvements on their own.

Edited by C105 on Mar 19th 2021 at 2:17:25 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126192: Mar 19th 2021 at 6:51:35 AM

Maybe that's how you introduce Riri. The designs are maintained, then stolen, then Riri comes up with a new one and is bought on.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#126193: Mar 19th 2021 at 7:01:06 AM

Yeah, presumably they can make more of the old designs with minor tweaks just fine. Depending on how the plot of Armor Wars goes, this might become too accessible.

Riri turning up to help design new armours, presumably including her own, would make sense.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126194: Mar 19th 2021 at 9:40:33 AM

It could be a plot point that they’re running on old armor designs Tony left behind, while other groups are finally starting to get a handle on building their own.

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#126195: Mar 19th 2021 at 2:16:38 PM

Never forget that Darren Cross built what was basically an Iron Man suit that didn't need an Arc Reactor and could also shrink on top of all that.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126196: Mar 19th 2021 at 2:55:15 PM

I'm pretty sure the Yellowjacket suit by itself (without the shrinking capacities) would not have lasted long against any Stark armour. Right now I don't remember if it could even fly when at normal size?

Then again it is quite possible that some of Stark's simpler designs made it to public domain or were eventually copied or reverse engineered. Or possibly Hammer managed to leak some of Vanko's work just to spite Tony.

Edited by C105 on Mar 19th 2021 at 10:55:28 AM

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Surrounded by weirdoes
#126197: Mar 19th 2021 at 3:02:35 PM

Knowing Hammer, he probably did that by accident and would later try to make it look like it was his plan all along with low levels of success.

Or they had really lousy cybersecurity.

Edited by Blueace on Mar 19th 2021 at 7:05:54 AM

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126198: Mar 19th 2021 at 3:36:40 PM

Or Vanko leaked them himself.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126199: Mar 19th 2021 at 3:57:58 PM

[up]x3 Nitpick, but if a Stark armor would be in the public domain, it wouldn't be until like 2098 because of extensions of how long IP can be withheld from the public domain.

Cross-posted from the Falcon and Winter Soldier thread (no spoilers): Comics Beat: Ed Brubaker has "mixed feelings" about The Falcon and the Winter Soldier:

    direct quote from Brubaker 
And of course, today the FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER show debuts on Disney+, which I sadly have very mixed feelings about. I'm really happy for Sebastian Stan, who I think is both a great guy and the perfect Bucky/Winter Soldier, and I'm glad to see him getting more screen time finally. Also, Anthony Mackie is amazing as the Falcon, and everyone at Marvel Studios that I've ever met (all the way up to Kevin Feige) have been nothing but kind to me… but at the same time, for the most part all Steve Epting and I have gotten for creating the Winter Soldier and his storyline is a "thanks" here or there, and over the years that's become harder and harder to live with. I've even seen higher-ups on the publishing side try to take credit for my work a few times, which was pretty galling (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about Tom Breevort, who was a great editor and really helpful).

So yeah, mixed feeling, and maybe it'll always be like that (but I sure hope not). Work-for-hire work is what it is, and I'm honestly thrilled to have co-created something that's become such a big part of pop culture – or even pop subculture with all the Bucky-Steve slash fiction – and that run on Cap was one of the happiest times of my career, certainly while doing superhero comics. Also, I have a great life as a writer and much of it is because of Cap and the Winter Soldier bringing so many readers to my other work. But I also can't deny feeling a bit sick to my stomach sometimes when my inbox fills up with people wanting comments on the show.

So… I'm sure I'll watch it, and you should too if you’re a Marvel movie universe fan, but I'll probably be waiting a while to check it out myself. So please don't email me any spoilers, I guess, but go give Sebastian Stan lots of love wherever he is online.

T;dr he's becoming increasingly irritated with just nominal credit for pretty much creating the Winter Soldier (and says that he's seen some executives try to take credit for it), though he has a lot of respect for the actors and Kevin Feige.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#126200: Mar 19th 2021 at 4:05:29 PM

It's nice that he appreciates all the Stucky fics at least. smile

Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 19th 2021 at 7:05:41 AM


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