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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
MCU Thor would find it harder to just give someone a palace than comic Thor did
Edited by Bocaj on Mar 16th 2021 at 4:06:29 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersTbh, it's not entirely clear whether Zemo even knew that the Avengers created Ultron at all. His specific gripe was that their battle spilled over into his country and killed a bunch of people including his family -> hence, superheroes are careless, destructive, and face no consequences for their actions, and thus must be wiped out.
He's not particularly concerned with why the fight happened, only that it did, people got hurt, and the Avengers weren't affected by this at all (as far as he believed or wanted to believe).
His mindset is such that he would totally blame them for Thanos, and wouldn't care about any mitigating factors. "They fought an alien warlord, and literally half of everyone died" would just be proof to him that he was right all along.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 16th 2021 at 1:21:27 AM
Also, has it been confirmed if Zemo survived the Snap? I assume Falcon & WS will answer it one way or another, but maybe there's been Word of God on the situation.
Maybe he’s pissed that the avengers stole him from sweet oblivion once again
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYeah. I just saw that in the Wandavision thread. The total casualties for Sokovia (that's deaths and injuries) was 177 people.
Low number? I thought so too, then I remembered Quicksilver. Considering how much ground Pietro was capable of covering, I'd posit he's a big reason why casualties were so low. In addition to the Avengers likely drawing all the fire.
Like, with Pietro on the ground plowing through drones like crazy, and Thor, Vision and Tony (and later Rhodey) covering things from the air, it's not so crazy to think that they were able to take out a lot of drones before they were able to kill anyone.
Add in the fact they must have evacuated a lot of people before Ultron even got rolling with his plan and ....wow. They likely did a really good job.
And the casualty toll for the battle of New York is actually even lower too. Like, I think it was apparently only 78 people (again, deaths and injuries). And like, they were working with a smaller numbers, and an army with a much bigger arsenal. Now that's unbelievable.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Mar 16th 2021 at 9:03:38 AM
One Strip! One Strip!There was a study
done when the first Avengers came out to estimate how much damage was done during the Battle of New York, and the estimates placed it at around $160 billion.
An addendum: the number of casualties for the battle of New York was actually 74. So that's four less people than I thought.
Now the amount of destruction mentioned in the post above makes sense, but I'm baffled to how so few could have died.
Because yes, it's true that Thor was using Lightning to bottleneck the portal, Tony was flying around shooting down every thing, Hulk was smashing all the things (not in that way you perverts), and Hawkeye was watching things from high above, but even with that, and even if they likely kept casualties lower than they could have been only 74 dead seems impossible.
One Strip! One Strip!The chitauri spent time herding everyone together to kill them in groups so maybe they were too organized for their own good
Alternatively maybe that’s how the avengers unlocked the stinger, by going for an A rank on the last battle
Edited by Bocaj on Mar 16th 2021 at 6:58:37 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI’m kinda fascinated by this rabbit hole because it would mean Thor 2 and then Ragnarok going a completely different direction
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThey haven't told us yet, but I know we had a conversation about this ages ago that boiled down to two lose-lose scenario:
- If Zemo survived the Snap: He had to deal with the surviving Avengers pulling through and still keep the world safe.
- If Zemo didn't survive: not only would he have to deal with being virtually dead for five years, he would have to deal with the fact that despite his best efforts, the Avengers still managed to band together and be stronger than ever.
And some of us speculated that Zemo's mask could be some odd tribute to Thanos, I think? I wish I could find the conversation more easily...
EDIT: Never mind, I found it!
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 16th 2021 at 5:15:21 AM
It wouldn't change TDW too much, since there Loki was inconsequential at first and then a (reluctant) ally, so he just wouldn't be reluctant and he'd stand a better chance of openly surviving the battle instead of being killed off/having it revealed that he survived and replaced Odin somehow. The main threat of Ragnarok would still be out there, too; Loki would just not be a convenient scapegoat for her being unleashed (and every other problem with the Nine Realms).
It would've been kind of awkward if someone was placed in Zemo's cell after he got snapped. There's not a whole lot of room there, and the possibility of what might've happened is... messy.
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Word of God already clarified that, everyone who got brought back was brought back in safe positions (basically in the ground)
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True, and as hectic as the scene where we see the return in WandaVision was, the main problem is that the hospital suddenly has way more patients then it has capacity.
The main risk of injury is people getting knocked over in the confusion or not getting the necessary treatment for whatever they were in the hospital for 5 years ago, not materializing into objects/people that occupied the same space as they were in when they got dusted.
Edited by Falrinn on Mar 16th 2021 at 8:07:02 AM
So it seems the Chinese government doesn't like Chloe Zhao.
Wonder if this means The Eternals will have the honor of being the first MCU film to be Banned in China.
How Disney responds to this should be interesting. They can't just get rid of Zhao a la Winnie the Pooh because China said so, it would infuriate a lot of people over here.
Cynically speaking, my guess is that they'll keep Zhao, but suddenly the movie will be treated more like a write-off rather than a big new installment in the series, maybe even with them abruptly investing less money into it.

I feel like Zemo will blame the Avengers for the Snap but then Bucky or Sam says “No, dumbass, we would have had a much smoother time against Thanos if it wasn’t for you splitting us apart.”
Edited by Weirdguy149 on Mar 16th 2021 at 4:06:21 AM
The legend has returned.