TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126101: Mar 15th 2021 at 10:49:02 AM

[up][up]Yeah, that's that whole "offensive stereotype" thing mentioned by Arthureld.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126102: Mar 15th 2021 at 10:49:28 AM

“You wanna take down some bad guys?”

Sam smiles, starts playing Halo 5, and proceeds to burn through all of Aaron’s Nornfang REQs only to die every time to a Spartan Charge.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#126103: Mar 15th 2021 at 11:03:14 AM

Man, I could've sworn the Russos claimed Noobmaster was Wong.

Also, Sam's look when he said it. I wonder how much of it was "that's a dumb gamertag" and how much of it was "so this is that guy Thor was talking about".

Edited by lbssb on Mar 15th 2021 at 11:05:03 AM

Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks Marathon
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126104: Mar 15th 2021 at 11:20:59 AM

Wasn't Thor also playing Fortnite on a PS4?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#126105: Mar 15th 2021 at 12:03:04 PM

[up] Technically, Korg and Miek were Fortnite playing. Thor was the guy who yelled at the persistent troll known as NoobMaster69, which we now know is Aaron from the Apple Store.

And since it got tuned out in the last page...

Secret Invasion casts Kingsley Ben-Adir (Malcolm X from One Night in Miami) as a secret bad guy...

I call Super-Skrull!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 15th 2021 at 12:04:20 PM

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#126106: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:11:04 PM

First Thanos did nothing wrong, and now Ultron was right? What's all this then.

  • tl;dr - the Avengers are mostly sh-tty, self-destructive people with shady backgrounds and Chaotic Good tendencies. Except Steve. He's great. He's from Brooklyn and he's great.

Edited by FOFD on Mar 15th 2021 at 6:05:38 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126107: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:12:53 PM

[Wanda Maximoff does not approve]

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#126108: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:32:44 PM

[The citizens of Westview glare at Wanda from afar.]

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126109: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:35:26 PM

[Baron Zemo's still fuming in prison.]

The legend has returned.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126110: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:41:55 PM

Glad to see Darth Maul will be appearing in Falcon & Winter Soldier.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#126112: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:49:41 PM

[Loki laughs in being the fandom's favorite]

Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, ngl
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#126113: Mar 16th 2021 at 9:52:33 AM

Article on Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Some interesting points include the pandemic and 2020 in general being reflective of the show's themes and Walker being very different from what he's like in the comics. The storyline is, unsurprisingly, going to be heavily based off of what happened in Civil War (totally understandable given the roster and it being one of the biggest Earth events in the MCU prior to Thanos's invasion. Was hoping for a little more acknowledgement of the more cerebral The Winter Soldier over Civil War's bombast, but I guess they consider that HYDRA territory and AOS already dealt with that.

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#126114: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:27:54 PM

Ultron is a very similar villain to Thanos in that he very thoroughly misunderstands population dynamics.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126115: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:33:29 PM

At least Ultron has the excuse of being a robot that was born very recently at the time.

The legend has returned.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126116: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:35:14 PM

So....how solid do you think Zemo's grounds for hating superheroes and wanting to destroy them really is?

Like, Tony and Wanda did cause the destruction of Sokovia? There's little doubt of that. Wanda put the idea in Tony's head, and (even if I think there was a trap in the mind stone) Tony did create Ultron. And Ultron then went on to destroy Sokovia.

So in that sense, his Avengers destroyed my home and killed my family point is valid.

That being said, he seems to be coming at things from the angle of none of this would have happened if the Avengers didn't exist. Vision himself seemed to think something similar with his speech about people wanting to challenge their strength in Civil War.

Like, I'm not justifying his methods. Even he knew he'd done a lot of awful shit to accomplish his goals, and pretty much admitted it to T'chala before trying to kill himself.

What argument are Bucky and Sam really gonna make to him? Sure the Avengers undid the snap, but for some, that might have caused even more turmoil (like maybe a lot of the people who were left managed to move on, and now suddenly that husband who they never technically stopped being married to is back while you're married to someone new). Will Marvel do a good job of refuting Zemo, or will they undermine him by having him do awful stuff and looking like a bad guy to hide any potential credibility in his statements?

I don't really want Zemo to seem right, but I'm not sure if a good enough job has been done of proving him wrong, especially we know that the Avengers (via Tony and Wanda) are responsible for Sokovia.

....also, who's gonna win that Bucky vs Sam staring contest? My money's on the therapist.cool

One Strip! One Strip!
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126117: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:40:11 PM

[up]The question is how he goes about it. At least in Civil War...actually, no, in Civil War he was attacking public places as well. Most people do not decide the way to deal with a problem is to dress up like Cobra Commander (although Zemo would tell you Cobra Commander dresses like him) and attack civilians.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126118: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:46:39 PM

Zemo's motivations are one thing, but Civil War has already showed that he's not in the right, at all. He doesn't even really seem to want to be, really.

Will a bunch of click-bait Youtubers put up forty minute video essays expounding on why "Zmeo was right!" after F&WS is finished? Of course. But there's really been nothing so far in the actual material to support that, and I don't expect that to change in the coming episodes.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126119: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:48:27 PM

A point Zemo brings up that I would like to see the MCU examine is what happened to Sokovia and its people after AOU. The way Zemo described it, the Avengers blew up the city then went home. Is his account false? Have the Avengers been funding rebuilding efforts? Did all the refugees get a place to stay? Or is he telling the truth and the Avengers left to their shiny new base saying “mission accomplished”?

It’s one thing to say that the Avengers may sometimes have to resort to imperfect, sometimes even destructive solutions when the situation gets desperate, but it would matter to know what comes after and how they manage the consequences. The most we know is that Tony started the Department of Damage Control, but do they just take care of debris? What about rebuilding?

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126120: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:52:34 PM

I'm sure Tony threw money at the problem, yes. The rest of the Avengers aren't really in a position to do anything about it, except encourage those efforts.

The official death toll for the battle in Sokovia is relatively very low, too. So most of the damage is just to infrastructure which is a much easier fix for someone like Tony and the international community at large.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126121: Mar 16th 2021 at 12:59:41 PM

I'm not really sure what anyone expects the Avengers to do there.

Its not like Cap has super building fixing powers.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 16th 2021 at 1:05:16 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#126122: Mar 16th 2021 at 1:03:11 PM

Well in the Comics Civil War f.e., the superheroes actually went to the site of the catastrophe and helped the clean-up/rebuilding effort.

Guess if they had done that, that would've lowered his anger at least somewhat.

Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126123: Mar 16th 2021 at 1:03:51 PM

Cap’s a major national and rallying symbol. With one speech he got half of SHIELD revolting against the other HYDRA half. How about being the face of a charity and relief campaign?

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 16th 2021 at 1:05:10 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#126124: Mar 16th 2021 at 1:04:44 PM

Thor probably has some stuff lying around in Asgard that'd make the rebuilding easier, at least.

Wake me up at your own risk.
BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#126125: Mar 16th 2021 at 1:05:58 PM

I think the fact that fully half of the universe's population are only alive right now as a direct result of the Avengers' actions, does go along way to justify their existence.

But I guess I get where Zemo's coming from (aside from all of the murder and torture and bombing UN meetings and whatnot). The fact that the Avengers effectively exist at this "larger" scale where they can accidently destroy a city, and are seemingly untouchable from people who aren't at their scale... that is existentially horrifying, so from a base philosophical standpoint I get why Zemo thinks they should not be.


Total posts: 186,763
Top