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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#126076: Mar 14th 2021 at 2:25:41 PM

Flash's veteran story is one of those things that never gets into adapations because it requires more time to pass then adaptations usually allow.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126077: Mar 14th 2021 at 3:27:49 PM

Another random theory about Falcon & Winter Soldier.

The first episode will have the "we're not a team, we're not friends, we're coworkers" chat between them. The last episode will have the same chat, but it will be "we're not a team, we're not friends, we're brothers" in that feel-good, schmaltzy way.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 14th 2021 at 3:32:16 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126078: Mar 14th 2021 at 3:30:53 PM

[up][awesome]

Regarding Flash, my go-to suggestion is to replace the veteran source of his injury with having him get injured while shielding someone from supervillain-related destruction. And then have him get the symbiote (or some equivalent) from like Stark industries or Helen Cho or something like that.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#126079: Mar 14th 2021 at 7:18:19 PM

I had an idea for the Carnage symbiote and introducing Norman Osborn.

- Norman Osborn is performing lethal human experiments and using homeless people as disposable bodies.
- Cletus Kassidy is some guy from the south in New York on business who gets framed for the murders.
- Osborn wants something test the results of all his human experimentation on and also wants a stooge. He offers Cletus, who doesn't know Osborn is responsible for his situation, a way out and a way to take revenge on the "unjust system that put the blame on a good ol' boy like you".
- The human experimentation had something to do with the Venom symbiote which had to have appeared by now, I guess. The result is the Carnage symbiote, which is attached to Cletus.
- Cletus Kassidy seems intelligent and like he believes that he is a noble rebel fighting against an oppressive system, but actually he's just been fed bullshit by men like Norman Osborn. In contrast to Cletus, Carnage is just having fun wrecking shit.

Edited by God_of_Awesome on Mar 14th 2021 at 7:18:40 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126080: Mar 14th 2021 at 7:19:22 PM

The venom movie was actually successful so Sony probably won’t let marvel play with symbiotes

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126081: Mar 14th 2021 at 7:43:47 PM

[up][up]I dunno, half the fun of Carnage is that he isn't particularly sympathetic or misled. He's just a monstrous symbiote and an even more monstrous serial killer who get along like two peas in a pod and are bonded together into a murder machine.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#126082: Mar 14th 2021 at 8:05:04 PM

A couple themes and idea came about from the idea.

One was a Trope Talk about how like, Thanos has this high ideal going on but also kinda seems like he's enjoying his job too much? And there was a reason they did that, because it was more fun to watch, even if detracted from the character.

And I thought, "The symbiotes would be perfect for that. You have whoever's in the suit be the noble, well-intentioned anti-villain and the suit can be the jovial dragon riding shotgun." Eddie and Venom might be perfect for that by themselves, though.

Second, however, and why I picked Cletus, is for the political statements, which Marvel is no stranger to. The powerful rich man convincing the bereft poor man that he has the answers to his problems when he is, in fact, the cause of them. Framing Cletus for serial murder lets me tie into his comic book origins with a twist. Also, Cletus sounds super Southern, so...

[up][up]Phooey

Edited by God_of_Awesome on Mar 14th 2021 at 8:05:30 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#126083: Mar 14th 2021 at 8:40:18 PM

Cletus is basically to Venom what Apocalypse is to Magneto.

He's all the moral restraint removed to better justify him as an antihero.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126084: Mar 14th 2021 at 8:44:44 PM

Yep.

Doylistically speaking, Carnage was created to fill the "deranged psycho killer alien dude" hole Venom left behind when he grew too soft and mushy.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126085: Mar 14th 2021 at 9:51:23 PM

Making Carnage an unfortunate victim of circumstance is completely missing the point of his character.

To quote a certain FBI agent, "Some killers are projects of society. Some act out past abuses. __ kills because he likes it."

Also, making Cletus the kind of dim-witted Southerner taken advantage of by a corrupt Yankee is a little...stereotypical and slightly offensive.

Edited by ArthurEld on Mar 14th 2021 at 9:52:09 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126086: Mar 14th 2021 at 10:17:25 PM

Carnage himself put it all perfectly what hes about in Absolute Carnage.

https://comicnewbies.com/2019/11/03/dark-carnage-absolute-carnage-3/

"Did you know that my mother went through electroshock treatments when she was pregnant with me? This was before they would sedate you for that kind of thing… and then you know… I died minutes after I was born… went to hell… came back… that’s a whole thing.

I’ve had therapists try to tel me that these “early traumas” led to me being.. the way I am. I’ve heard it all you know… I’m this way because of abuse, because of video games, or sex and violence on tv, because of guns and knives and the wickedness of this mean old world. But what none of them get… is those things didn’t make me what I am. I am made… of them. I am abuse. I am sex and violence. I am the guns and the knives and the wickedness of this whole sick @#$%#&% world…

You know my name… Now scream it."

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 14th 2021 at 10:17:44 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#126087: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:39:05 AM

[up][up]Well, I meant for him to be intelligent, eloquent, but misinformed, fed bullshit while in a bad spot.

As for a Yankee Northerner manipulating a Southerner thing...

Have you been paying attention for the past half a decade?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126088: Mar 15th 2021 at 2:49:22 AM

The last half decade has told me it’s not just the South that wants to be fed the lies, and that often they can produce the greatest examples of resistance for civil rights.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 15th 2021 at 2:50:31 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126089: Mar 15th 2021 at 6:47:19 AM

Wait, I thought Cletus was born in New York? Is he supposed to be from the south?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126090: Mar 15th 2021 at 7:05:56 AM

surprised by how little Zemo and John Walker was in the trailer. My guess is that Marvel wants to keep how they and the Flag-smashers are connected under wraps

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#126091: Mar 15th 2021 at 7:08:07 AM

[up][up]Yep. He was born in the Ravencroft Institute for the Criminally Insane, which is located in Westchester County, New York.

Disgusted, but not surprised
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#126092: Mar 15th 2021 at 7:28:07 AM

[up][up] Did they just spoil a major character death?

I think Karli grabbed Redwing out of the air and broke him Bane-style tongue.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#126093: Mar 15th 2021 at 9:14:09 AM

His name sounds stereotypically Southerner so I guess that's my B.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#126094: Mar 15th 2021 at 9:27:03 AM

[up][up][up][up] That trailer does make it look like the series is going to be Winter Soldier as a whole series, which could be very cool if it's as smartly written as that film was. Looking at Kolstad's previous record, aside from John Wick most of his films are considered on the good side of serviceable, but not that much better. So while I expect the action to be great, I'm still concerned about whether it'll be up to snuff with the better Netflix series in terms of commentary.

Also, while Markus and Mc Feely have had some bizarre takes on the characters (specific examples include some really headscratching ones regarding attribution of guilt as well as some concerning ableism in particular), they did have a particular way with characterization-rich dialogue that could be witty without being overly quippy. I'm wondering if Kolstad can also maintain that.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 15th 2021 at 12:38:17 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#126095: Mar 15th 2021 at 9:35:59 AM

Secret Invasion casts Kingsley Ben-Adir (Malcolm X from One Night in Miami) as a secret bad guy...

I call Super-Skrull!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 15th 2021 at 9:36:38 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126096: Mar 15th 2021 at 9:38:05 AM

[up][up][up]That's my point, your whole idea seems to be based on and leaning into some pretty tired, offensive stereotypes. In addition to missing the whole point of Carnage's character in the first place.

But, as others have pointed out, its a very moot point anyway because there's very little chance we'll see Carnage in the MCU proper, as I imagine Sony would rather hold onto him.

Edited by ArthurEld on Mar 15th 2021 at 9:38:21 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126097: Mar 15th 2021 at 10:00:30 AM

And he’s pretty much guaranteed to show up in the Venom sequel.

The legend has returned.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126098: Mar 15th 2021 at 10:09:18 AM

I have no idea about earlier comics, but I'm fairly sure Cletus had a Southern accent in the 90's cartoon and I definitely recall him being Southern in that recentish Inversion series. And like he's played by Woody Haralson in the upcoming Sony movie, right? So, I don't think it's off-base to assume he's Southern.

However, I think it's a pretty bad idea for the story to be about him as this noble "white working class guy" being mislead by evil city folk, especially because Cletus is most-well known for being a gleefully unrepentant Serial Killer. It's like the premise of Joker but more "extreme".

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126099: Mar 15th 2021 at 10:25:54 AM

I keep thinking of the Simpsons because of their Cletus character

I'm not helping am I?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#126100: Mar 15th 2021 at 10:29:18 AM

A sort-of sequel to the Xbox commercial featuring Sam!

AARON FROM THE APPLE STORE IS NOOBMASTER69! WHO EXPECTED THAT?!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 15th 2021 at 10:29:41 AM


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