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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126051: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:26:39 PM

Killian would have hired a washed-out actor to play in his place as a superstar poker player.

Hammer would be all bluff but completely transparent every time.

Malekith would glower from a dark corner of the room without playing.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#126052: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:27:38 PM

He just wants to play tiddlywinks with someone but no one seems interested

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126053: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:29:58 PM

Killian spends half the game pretending to have tendencies and tells he doesn't, seemingly wasting a lot of his own money, only to reveal his true nature halfway through and clean up in his opponents' confusion.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 13th 2021 at 2:30:33 AM

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#126054: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:35:12 PM

Okay, this started as a fun exercise in imaginative characterization but quickly devolved into "summarize the plot of a film in a poker context".

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126055: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:36:39 PM

It's fun! Ever since playing Poker Night 2 I've loved thinking about "what would X character's playstyle be in a poker game?"

It's up there with Hogwarts houses as a favorite character thought exercise.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 13th 2021 at 2:37:31 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126056: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:38:46 PM

They should make a movie where its like Casino Royale but instead Thing hosting a massive poker tournament out of the Baxter Building.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#126057: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:39:39 PM

The question is, do we try to genuinely imagine which character's style would be in a poker game (assuming they accepted to play in the first place), or do we have fun transposing the character's behaviour during the movies they appeared in into something they do at the poker table. Both can be fun.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126058: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:41:27 PM

Come to think of it, does marvel have any gambling themed characters? I can think of several DC ones off the top of my head, but the closest I can think of for Marvel is Arcade (who does do games sometimes, but not gambling).

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#126059: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:42:23 PM

Didn't Gambit dabble in gambling a little? I thought his cards were not just for throwing at people.

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#126060: Mar 13th 2021 at 2:52:03 PM

The question is, do we try to genuinely imagine which character's style would be in a poker game (assuming they accepted to play in the first place), or do we have fun transposing the character's behaviour during the movies they appeared in into something they do at the poker table. Both can be fun.

I was doing the former, and the latter feels a lot more lazy to me. Like, the MCU villains aren't necessarily going to play poker in exactly the same style as their evil plot from their movie, that's just silly.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126061: Mar 13th 2021 at 4:16:43 PM

There's a few people that deal with luck like Domino and of course Wanda.

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#126062: Mar 13th 2021 at 4:18:38 PM

If you put Domino and Wanda into a room how soon would it explode?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#126063: Mar 13th 2021 at 4:28:46 PM

I think they actually teamed up once in A+X.

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#126064: Mar 13th 2021 at 4:35:30 PM

[up]x6 There's Chance, the hitman from the Spider-Man comics. Instead of charging for his services, Chance makes a wager with his employers — if he succeeds in his task, he gets paid, but if he loses the "bet", he pays them the same amount.

There's also Senor Suerte/Senor Muerte (Mister Luck/Mister Death), a gambling czar and one-time Luke Cage villain later succeeded by a pair of villains, each one of which took one half of the name (Senor Suerte and Senor Muerte).

Edited by ClancyGardener on Mar 13th 2021 at 4:36:10 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126065: Mar 14th 2021 at 12:06:05 PM

Rewatching Far From Home, and a fun thing I noticed. In the scene where Mysterio flies up to talk to Peter, there's a camera shot that's supposedly focused on Peter, but the background noticeably tracks from a prominently open door behind Peter to the empty seat next to Peter just before Beck sits down.

Just in case anyone was wondering how Beck really got there when his powers are fake. Really love all the different visual tricks the movie used to accentuate itself.

Mostly unrelated, but I remember the very first time I saw this movie I figured Fury was fake and in on whatever Beck was up to, simply because he made Beck's plan so easy by being an ass in ways that Fury probably wouldn't. I liked the twist that Fury was real, but also not real, simply because he's Talos and Talos was bad at being Fury.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 14th 2021 at 12:06:20 PM

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Too old for this
#126066: Mar 14th 2021 at 1:39:23 PM

I recall deploring the Badass Decay Fury had undergone while watching this movie for the first time. Made the stinger all the more enjoyable.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126067: Mar 14th 2021 at 1:48:50 PM

I really hope Talos doesn't die in whatever comes up next. I mean, he probably will knowing his role, but I hope he doesn't.

Also, it'd be neat to have the foursome of kids who were personally rescued by Happy and Spidey in FFH become Peter's sort of security net in NWH. Michelle and Ned are a given, but it'd love to see more of Betty and to finally have a piece of media outside the comics complete Flash's journey from insecure punk to Peter's friend.

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#126068: Mar 14th 2021 at 1:58:10 PM

[up] You know, lots of people were quick to criticize Flash's change in character but this is a great chance to truly make him Spidey's ally, hell if they want to they could even make him a parallel to Peter if he becomes Agent Venom.

Also lowkey hoping Miles Morales gets some acknowledgment in No Way Home, they've already teased him with Aaron Davis in Homecoming and a deleted scene outright namedrops him, he could also be 5 years older than last time he was mentioned so there's a chance for him

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#126069: Mar 14th 2021 at 1:58:16 PM

From what we've heard, Talos and Nick Fury are going to be co-leads in Secret Invasion, so I doubt he'll die. I can't wait for that show, by the way, that and Armor Wars starring Rhodey are probably my most anticipated MCU projects in the future.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126070: Mar 14th 2021 at 2:08:19 PM

[up] Yeah, there's good reason to make sure Secret Invasion isn't just "Turns out the Skrulls really were evil all along!" even to a very casual viewer. And having Talos around as a co-lead would go a long way to ensuring that isn't the case.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126071: Mar 14th 2021 at 2:10:30 PM

[up][up][up] Well joining the military could be pretty good for this Flash.

Give him some real gumption and traveling life experience he could gain.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126072: Mar 14th 2021 at 2:13:40 PM

I dunno if there's time any more to do a "Flash went into the army, and came back a different man" subplot, especially since the Spidey movies didn't do the "Time Skip from highschool to college and beyond" thing people expected it to do. I would've expected that sort of thing if the Homecoming series did an "in the intervening years X stuff happened" thing with the characters, but the MCU films and Homecoming in particular being very in-the-moment puts the kibosh on that.

So I'm guessing that if Flash does become a better person, it'll be through knowing Peter rather than through being in the army.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 14th 2021 at 3:15:58 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126073: Mar 14th 2021 at 2:15:57 PM

True but Flash being a disabled vet adds flavor to the character.

Its like an Ultimate Spider-Man where he does become Agent Venom but without any of the various nuances the character is associated with, rendering him more as just a guy in a suit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126074: Mar 14th 2021 at 2:17:04 PM

I mean, Flash was a nuanced and interesting character before he became a Agent Venom.

Hell, he was a nuanced an interesting army veteran even before he became a disabled nuanced and interesting army veteran. Flash initially had his character development decades ago during the Vietnam war, followed by a lot of development through being Peter's friend.

The Agent Venom lead-in to development was Character Rerailment after a run... I think the otherwise phenomenal Straczynski run... briefly hit the reset button on his personality.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 14th 2021 at 3:19:49 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126075: Mar 14th 2021 at 2:20:39 PM

That is true, I just find the whole vet thing a really cool direction for the character.

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