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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#126026: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:10:11 PM

All I hope is that the writers remember that Bucky is a powerful super soldier, who can easily beat Black Widow in a physical fight and match Captain America at times. So they should not make him a victim of The Worf Effect.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126027: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:10:47 PM

Random thought of the day: among the MCU Avengers, who is the best and worst at playing poker?

Of the founding members, I imagine Tony, Natasha and Clint are probably the most experienced. Tony gambles wildly and doesn't win often, but when he does it's very flashy. The other two are just very good at mind games.

Steve probably has some experience, but isn't good at bluffing. He probably hates playing with Tony, though, considering that the latter plays so wildly that he can't really come up with a good game plan.

Thor pre-Endgame timeskip probably didn't even know how to play and wasn't that interested. Post he would probably like it but be a terrible loser and frequently the first eliminated.

Bruce, at least pre-Endgame, probably abstains from it. Post, I don't know if he'd be all that interested but he probably plays it to have fun and hang out more than anything.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126028: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:12:18 PM

And to think, most people before this just remembered Zemo as “the guy who inspired Cobra Commander.”

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126029: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:18:29 PM

I feel like out of all the members up to Endgame, Rhodey and Nebula would be the best at poker because they have the best poker faces. What I'd be more interested in would be a poker game between the Guardians because you know there'd be a lot of cheater bullshit going on there.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126030: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:23:17 PM

Most of them wouldn't even know how to play poker. [lol]

[up][up][up][up] It should be noted that Bucky is no longer as effective as he was as the Winter Soldier because he lost the single-minded drive to kill and complete the mission.

He's a man now, not a living weapon and that comes with lessened effectiveness.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 13th 2021 at 12:24:41 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126031: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:24:17 PM

From the more extended roster I feel:

  • Scott and Strange are probably pretty good at it. Scott is a career conman of sorts (by way of burglary) and a misdirection artist, so he's probably very good at bluffing and misdirection while in a Obfuscating Stupidity fashion.
  • Strange just has Nerves of Steel from his career as a brain surgeon and his perpetually trembling hands also oughta throw everybody off (hard to read his movements because his hands are shaking regardless).
  • Scott and Strange are also the ones who'd have an easier time cheating (Scott with regular misdirection and sleight of hand, Strange with conjuration).
  • T'challa is a brilliant player but he freezes as a tell.

Between the Guardians:

  • Drax is terrible and keeps saying out loud the cards he's holding because he can't quite grasp the logistics of the game (over his tendency for Brutal Honesty).
  • Gamora (RIP) has probably very instincts for it but has little patience for it and gets bored/angry fast.
  • Quill loves it and is decent but his self-confidence can show and be a tell. Basically Stark's poker counterpart.
  • Rocket cheats his ass off every time and will vehemently deny even if he's caught red-handed. Has never even tried to play fair.
  • Groot doesn't really care about poker.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#126032: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:24:36 PM

How long before it devolves into a brawl?

Wake me up at your own risk.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#126033: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:30:30 PM

An addendum on Groot:

  • Adult Groot doesn't care because it seems too aggressive and confusing.

  • Teen Groot doesn't care because it's an old, boring game for old people.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 13th 2021 at 1:30:53 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126034: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:31:30 PM

Between the Avengers? Few hours. Guardians? Five minutes.

Also:

  • Nebula's good but is driven to murderous rage at the slightest incovenience.
  • Mantis has been banned of the game because of her empathetic abilities so she mostly fetches snacks for everybody and watches the action enthused.

For some other Avengers I forgot about:

  • Wanda has been banned as well due similar issue as Mantis (in her case telepathic abilities and illusion crafting) so they mostly eat snacks together and watch the game.
  • Vision knows all the poker strategies and can in theory play well except he's absolutely dogshit at bluffing.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126035: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:33:18 PM

The best person in the MCU at poker would probably be Loki but only if he's playing amongst strangers because everyone that he knows is well aware of his bullshit by now.

The legend has returned.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126036: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:35:57 PM

Thor finally wins a poker game... at Loki’s expense

He’s thrilled!

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#126037: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:40:41 PM

I'd see Hope and Pepper to be rather decent at the game (Pepper is after all a quite successful businesswoman and Hope managed to work undercover for some time).
Fury would probably also be quite good, on par with Natasha and Clint.
And for some reason I imagine Carol to be the sort of player who goes all-in after a couple of deals.

It occurs to me that if they got Bruce to be interested in the game he would probably be very hard to read (even if not very good). A guy who has spent so much time keeping his emotions in check should have no problem keeping a poker face.

Edited by C105 on Mar 13th 2021 at 9:41:25 PM

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126038: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:45:59 PM

This of course opens another whole can of worms.

MCU villain poker.

  • Obadiah Stane is an old pro. Knows the ins and outs of every hand and probably won a bunch of poker championships when he was a young lad (alongside, one presumes, bowling). You're damned if you play against him.
  • General Ross is decent but tries to cheat badly whenever he's losing and claims the US government authorized him.
  • Loki is excellent, but tends to repeat the same tricks so he is more of a "smash-grab" player who breaks down after multiple hours/gamess.
  • Alexander Pierce is god-tier, can lie and play like nobody's business. Stane's only rival at the villain table.
  • Ego the Living Planet goes on and on about himself and just makes the game boring as shit for everyone else.
  • Killmonger's too hot-headed for it, flips the table whenever he starts to lose. Gives soem killer speeches though.
  • Thanos can read most like a book but he insists on everybody halving their chips and playing with a halved deck for perfect balance. Nobody likes him.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126039: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:48:35 PM

Ultron would be the biggest cheater because he will use all the AI tricks, and he'd lose the most often.

The legend has returned.
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#126040: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:49:33 PM

[up][up] Bonus:

  • Hela: Tries to kill everyone else as soon as she loses or is even close to doing so. Would probably end banned for life before a game night was even finished.

  • Klaue: Average skill, makes a lot of snide and snarky comments while playing.

  • Ghost: Pretty damn good, at times beats Stane and Pierce.

  • Mysterio: Is always, always cheating with illusions.

  • WandaVision spoiler: Agatha: Plays everyone else for fools and magically makes people lose.

Edited by VengefulBale on Mar 13th 2021 at 2:50:00 PM

Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, ngl
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126041: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:51:45 PM

It should be noted that in the comics Thing hosts a yearly poker tournament among the heroes that gets joined by villains.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126042: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:53:33 PM

I would see Hela as a forceful player: constantly pushes her advantage when she has a good hand, constantly capitalizing on her elevated position. Because she's so predictable, however, this rarely works out.

[up] Now there's a comic that needs to be turned into a Marvel Oneshot.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126043: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:05:35 PM

Also, I think Sam would probably be decent at it, but I don't how often he would win. Bucky, though, I see one of two ways: either he's not that interested in and prefers just to hang out, or he's very good at bluffing/has a good poker face but tends to choke in the late game from second-guessing himself.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126044: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:07:02 PM

But put them in a game together and they get VERY competitive.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#126045: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:07:42 PM

Sam sits around letting the bigger, more forceful players take each other out, then swoops in when he spots his opportunity to shine.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 13th 2021 at 1:07:56 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126046: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:13:22 PM

Rocket always asks Bucky to bet his arm so Bucky avoids playing when he's involved.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126047: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:15:50 PM

Like a majestic eagle

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126048: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:22:03 PM

Ghost wouldn't be very good at poker. She'd keep accidentally dropping her cards onto the table through her hands.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#126049: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:30:04 PM

Zemo would get the other players to take each other out by tricking them into thinking someone else is the bigger threat.

If that's even possible in poker.

One Strip! One Strip!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126050: Mar 13th 2021 at 1:55:15 PM

"I raise."

"With what, Helmut?"

"Mission report, December 16, 1991."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

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