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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126001: Mar 12th 2021 at 11:19:53 AM

Imagining Bucky being shocked at the retcon that Bilbo lied about how he got the Ring.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#126002: Mar 12th 2021 at 11:23:18 AM

This is good. The chemistry between those two is what's going to carry the season. And it seems that the writers took that to heart.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#126003: Mar 12th 2021 at 11:50:09 AM

It maybe semantics, but I did notice in the second clip they talked about Steve in the past tense. I guess he technically didn't die in Endgame, but it makes some sense if he passed away shortly afterwards of old age.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126004: Mar 12th 2021 at 12:32:30 PM

> Imagining Bucky being shocked at the retcon that Bilbo lied about how he got the Ring.

Bucky being surprised they made three sequels to the Hobbit

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#126005: Mar 12th 2021 at 12:36:49 PM

As well as three movies dedicated just to The Hobbit.

The legend has returned.
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#126006: Mar 12th 2021 at 12:42:49 PM

I imagine Bucky asking: How is it possible that the Hobbit could give enough material for 3 movies of more than two hours each?, And despite the fact that the sequels are much longer books, they only served for one movie each.?

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 12th 2021 at 12:51:54 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#126007: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:05:43 PM

Man imagine Bucky's reaction if he reads the Silmarillion.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126008: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:00:14 PM

Like most people he's read the front cover

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#126009: Mar 12th 2021 at 8:54:34 PM

Have they made mention of Zemo's Baron title? I had wondered about that, and imagined they'd off-handedly mention, "Hey, did you know Zemo is technically a Baron?" "Weird."

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#126010: Mar 12th 2021 at 10:00:40 PM

I commented before the context makes it a bit rough to work it in because Sokovia is pretty clearly a former Soviet state, which would obviously rules out a aristocratic system. Barons wouldn't exist for like 3-4 generations.

I suggested before "Baron" would maybe fit him more as a military callsign. Maybe due a aristocratic family.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#126011: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:28:47 AM

Well, yeah, he had a real job, but he might have been qualified for the barony of a now defunct aristocracy. I expected that to be some throwaway fun fact but a military call sign works.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126012: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:39:53 AM

I just wanna know if he's gonna accidentally glue his mask to his face like a total idiot.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#126013: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:41:19 AM

But then how does he eat? Does he have a hole for his mouth? If he can't shave, is he going to grow the world's ugliest beard under there?

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 13th 2021 at 12:43:23 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#126015: Mar 13th 2021 at 8:31:06 AM

[up][up][up]I'm pretty sure that was his dad, not Helmut Zemo.

A big thing was his dad using a super science adhesive and Captain America causing that to get stuck to his face.

Helmut on the other hand was just horribly disfigured in some way, the details escape me.

Edited by ArthurEld on Mar 13th 2021 at 8:31:20 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126016: Mar 13th 2021 at 8:48:35 AM

I love that the Avengers’ first recurring nemesis was an old nazi scientist who really loved glue

And he just gets casually one upped by Paste Pot Pete in one issue

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#126017: Mar 13th 2021 at 9:02:38 AM

I really like the Gandalf line, partly because it's almost literally the stereotypical Hipster catchphrase, "I liked x before it was popular."

And it does seem in line with the kind of intellectual that Bucky and Steve were. Although it's a later thing, I'm thinking of the countercultural embrace of Tolkien.

Although I saw on Twitter that it might be anachronistic (The Hobbit had a very limited original print run and didn't reach the U.S. until a year after Bucky says he read it). But see the note about hipsters.

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#126018: Mar 13th 2021 at 9:14:02 AM

[up][up] The very first issue he appeared in, too. The Masters of Evil are going around spraying people with Zemo's adhesive, the Avengers call Paste Pot Pete in prison, and before you can say "the guy who killed Bucky and froze Cap got owned by who?!", no more sticky spray. Except for Zemo, who just wants to get that mask off and be an inconspicuous Nazi war criminal like those in Argentina, instead of a supervillain in a silly costume.

Seriously, if Heinrich Zemo wasn't such a tool I'd almost feel sorry for the old guy.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126019: Mar 13th 2021 at 9:22:05 AM

That issue is also the most Avengers has ever felt like DC silver age wackiness

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ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#126020: Mar 13th 2021 at 9:25:37 AM

[up] Well, there's also that time that they fought the hidden civilization of Lava Men that lives beneath the earth...

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126021: Mar 13th 2021 at 9:35:09 AM

Right before the glue caper in fact!

Before Avengers settled into the more Marvely pattern of having at least one person every issue incredibly bummed out over some drama

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#126022: Mar 13th 2021 at 10:13:28 AM

But then how does he eat?

Every single meal, he has to waterboard himself with soup.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#126023: Mar 13th 2021 at 10:47:17 AM

IIRC Baron Zemo had to rely on intravenous glucose feeding to sustain himself until he discovered a way to remove it. Though that doesn't explain how the hell he was able to talk clearly.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#126024: Mar 13th 2021 at 10:48:20 AM

Who needs to talk when you have speech bubbles!

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#126025: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:06:41 PM

I'm pretty sure that was his dad, not Helmut Zemo.

A big thing was his dad using a super science adhesive and Captain America causing that to get stuck to his face.

Maybe he should have used that adhesive to construct a shelter for himself, his grandson, and his daughter-in-law then.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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