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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122076: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:18:16 PM

[up] is kinda what I meant. I'll also say that there are still appreciable differences between MCU!Peter and Comic!Miles, like Miles having a bigger living family.

EDIT:on similarities/differences between Peter Parker's portrayal in the MCU and Miles' characterization in the mainline comics

Edited by Aleistar on Oct 18th 2020 at 4:19:34 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#122077: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:23:19 PM

Ehhh, maybe? It still strikes me as very different considering Ultimate Peter died right as Miles met him while Tony was a living and active presence in MCU Peter's life for several years, supplying him with missions and upgrades and the like.

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#122078: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:32:38 PM

Yeah Miles was very independent at the start of his career. He was more alone & had to do everything by himself with his only ally being Ganke who was just there for moral support.

This is very different from MCU Peter basically having the backing of Tony Stark and the Avengers.

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#122079: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:32:46 PM

I thought Ultimate Peter was a couple years older than Miles

Because Miles gets a time skip of a year or so after his mom dies that gets him closer to the age Peter started at

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#122080: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:39:30 PM

Ultimate Peter was 16 when he died, Miles was 13. I don't remember how old 616 Peter was when he met Miles, but I feel fairly confident in saying he was in his 20s.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122081: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:41:44 PM

Ok, I will concede that there is less in common between the two then I thought there was. I've only read the first arc and a half of Bendis' initial run and a few years ago at that. Sorry for misrembering.

[down] I think canonically he was around 28, or at least he was soon after Spider-Men (I remember that being the age given in Superior in some issue or another).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122083: Oct 19th 2020 at 4:07:18 PM

White Tiger, then.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#122084: Oct 19th 2020 at 6:17:06 PM

Letitia Wright spoke a little about Black Panther 2.

TL;DR: It still hurts not having Chadwick around, so BP2 is the LAST thing they're thinking about.

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#122085: Oct 20th 2020 at 4:28:39 AM

[up][up]Or Mac Chavez. She landed in the 616 in a Puerto Rican family...

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122086: Oct 20th 2020 at 4:43:01 AM

Getting a Puerto Rican director doesn’t necessarily mean she would be directing a movie about a Puerto Rican character. Isn’t that a bit...limiting?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#122087: Oct 20th 2020 at 4:52:50 AM

Looking at the demographic makeup of prior Marvel directors and which characters’ stories they get to handle, it’s a pretty safe bet. tongue

[down] Okay, point taken.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 20th 2020 at 12:15:21 PM

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#122088: Oct 20th 2020 at 6:16:31 AM

I had no idea Thor Ragnarok was about the adventures of a Maori/Jewish man.

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#122089: Oct 20th 2020 at 6:42:11 AM

You know, some translations of the Moses story have the second Plague be one singular frog, not a whole bunch of them. Frog-Thor was unleashed on ancient Egypt.

Okay, now someone make a joke about the Maori half.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 20th 2020 at 6:43:56 AM

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#122090: Oct 20th 2020 at 8:15:16 AM

Someone on Reddit suggested Alejandra Lopez was doing something regarding Miles Morales, but I take it any kind of project even slightly associated with Spider-Man have to be with Sony?

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#122091: Oct 20th 2020 at 8:17:31 AM

Between the Covid-induced pause on projects and all the stuff Marvel has on the relatively early stages, speculating right now is pretty unlikely to get anywhere.

Edited by Blueace on Oct 20th 2020 at 12:18:06 PM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#122092: Oct 20th 2020 at 11:23:53 AM

I frankly have the feeling she'll just direct some episodes for some Disney+ shows (She-Hulk most likely).

I don't think Marvel would have left her do a announcement just like that if it were a movie.

Edited by Akirakan on Oct 20th 2020 at 1:24:25 PM

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#122093: Oct 21st 2020 at 10:34:01 AM

Taking place in the wake of Endgame, which – spoiler alert – saw an elderly Steve Rogers hand over the Captain America shield to Sam, the series is set to push the MCU forward while also reaching into its past.

That’s according to writer Derek Kolstad, who spoke on the latest episode of the Script Apart podcast about his original screenplay for John Wick. There, he teased a little of what’s in store in Falcon And The Winter Soldier – including the fact that some familiar faces from long ago in the MCU will make appearances. “What I will say is that there are characters from the earliest Marvel movies that are coming back,” Kolstad said. “We’re layering them in and reinventing them in a way that’s gonna shift the storytelling structure. It’s fucking awesome." While it’s known that Daniel Brühl’s Zemo is returning – as is The Winter Soldier’s Batroc – could that mention of the “earliest Marvel movies” mean we’ll see some Phase 1 characters return too? Stay tuned to find out.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/falcon-winter-soldier-will-bring-back-early-marvel-characters/

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 21st 2020 at 10:34:18 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122094: Oct 21st 2020 at 10:40:10 AM

I wonder what the plans are for Zemo. The original comic character was essentially the prototype for every Saturday morning cartoon villain with a private army (most notably Cobra Commander) but he did everything in Civil War alone. With Agents of SHIELD non-canon now and forever, I wonder if he will get his own private army.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122095: Oct 21st 2020 at 10:51:07 AM

[up]

Agents of Shield isn’t non canon...yet.

Yeah, know it probably is due to circumstances beyond their control, but honestly, only the last two seasons could really be called non canon due to ignoring the snap.

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#122096: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:03:39 AM

[up]It's completely uncanon down to it's bones. The only people that exist are in the movies, nowhere else. It's all just one big magic trick, meant to waste our time.

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#122097: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:07:42 AM

I figure it would have to be rendered non-canon given its viewership levels and the disconnect.

So, do you think we'll get a Truer to the Text Zemo?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122098: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:18:12 AM

IIRC, we've seen him in something closer to his comics costume in promo photos or on set or something.

As for personality wise, I don't know if we'll get quite to that point. There's so many key differences in Zemo's motivations.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 21st 2020 at 11:48:41 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#122099: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:47:23 AM

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. starting with Season 6 at least no longer fits the timeline. Before that, it ran parallel just fine, but outright ignoring the Snap isn't something that can be glossed over.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 21st 2020 at 8:47:42 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122100: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:48:55 AM

Speaking of Zemo - or more specifically the Thunderbolts - I wonder if we're ever going to get Justine Hammer or Sasha Hammer in the MCU. Iron Man 2 kind of kiboshed the idea of Justin and HammerTech as threats, but his daughter and granddaughter have so little to do with him conceptually (they're basically completely separate character groups that share a surname at this point) that I'd love to see them regardless, even if they're retconned into not being related to him.

[up] Agents of SHIELD has always been very close to throwing out the rest of the universe anyway, it's just that the last season made it more explicit. I still remember how they insisted the heroes completely wiped out HYDRA, only to have to retcon it into only part of HYDRA when HYDRA reappeared in Ant-Man, then to do the same plot again and insist that HYDRA is totes completely destroyed guys.

Or their whole "Inhumans are being made all throughout the world, people with powers are everywhere!" bit, which the movies completely ignored (granted, that I think is something they should have made explicit, since imo for too long the MCU was way smaller and had far less worldbuilding than it should have).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 21st 2020 at 11:52:17 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

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