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Aug 9th 2020 at 5:08:36 PM

I can't say I'm too familiar with Sally Floyd to comment on her specific case, but speaking generally, I see widely disliked characters who aren't explicitly evil mostly as a potential challenge for a writer to take on and Rescue them from the Scrappy Heap.

As far as I'm concerned any writer who isn't aggressively terrible can make you root for Captain America if they want to, but making you root for someone you couldn't stand previously is the mark of a truly brilliant writer.

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Aug 9th 2020 at 5:45:48 PM

Agreed. Most writers don't always have the drive to do that though.

Not that I can always blame them. It's entirely up to them to decide if it's worth trying or not. Sometimes a character appeals to you, and sometimes they don't.

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Aug 9th 2020 at 11:10:09 PM

God, its like she speaks entirely in stupid.

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Nothing is absolute.
Aug 9th 2020 at 11:12:02 PM

[up] She took extra stupid pills. Much more than the regular Marvel verse citizen.

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Aug 9th 2020 at 11:13:16 PM

What a dumbass.

She prolly doesn't even know what the Nazi party is. [lol]

"It's been an honor to fight by your side."
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Aug 9th 2020 at 11:14:26 PM

What makes Sally Floyd worse is that she's a character whom writers expect the readers to agree with. That's what sets her apart from the likes of J. Jonah Jameson, whom writers clearly portray as in the wrong most of the time. Despite the fact that so much of what she says and does is wrong.

She's Unintentionally Unsympathetic.

Edited by M84 on Aug 10th 2020 at 2:15:06 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Aug 10th 2020 at 2:03:54 AM

[up] But are they on myspace?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
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Aug 10th 2020 at 2:12:16 AM

Which is why I genuinely enjoyed her being dragged away by Hydra Cap's goons.

Hey Sally, these are all just poor, misguided patriots, don't blame 'em!

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 10th 2020 at 11:13:49 AM

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
slimcoder King Shark is a Shark
King Shark is a Shark
Aug 10th 2020 at 2:31:25 AM

Good lord imagine if she said that shit within earshot of Magneto.

Never tell him "There're just following orders."

"It's been an honor to fight by your side."
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YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL
Aug 10th 2020 at 2:55:16 AM

Ultimately, the problem with Sally Floyd is that she usually acts as a writer mouthpiece. Meaning the writer wants us to take her side. So that ridiculous "Myspace" speech? The writer expects us to agree with her.

It doesn't help that her usual role is to be a normal person criticizing Marvel superheroes.

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slimcoder King Shark is a Shark
King Shark is a Shark
Aug 10th 2020 at 3:42:26 AM

She is definitely indicative of how fucking dumb the whole writing surrounding Civil War was.

"It's been an honor to fight by your side."
Aug 10th 2020 at 3:43:51 AM

Sally also once supported the 'clean Wehrmacht' myth which didn't help at all

https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Civil-War-9-2.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=463

This, I cannot and will not defend.

[up][up]I think the Marvel writers spent so much time making the civilians look unreasonable for criticizing superheroes they don't know how to actually write a sympathetic person who criticizes superheroes.

Edited by windleopard on Aug 10th 2020 at 3:43:58 AM

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Aug 10th 2020 at 3:47:21 AM

[up]Now recall what I said about Sally Floyd being used as a writer mouthpiece. Meaning whoever wrote that actually believed that myth at the time of writing.

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HandsomeRob High Priest of the Holey Brotherhood! from Holey Brotherhood Lair Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
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Aug 10th 2020 at 5:50:00 AM

Welp. She's done for. I ain't jumping to help her.

But yeah. Don't use your characters as mouthpieces.

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Aug 10th 2020 at 7:00:54 AM

Well, at least she doesn't exist in Captain America: Civil War, or if she did she had a role so minor I've forgotten she was even in the film.

It's not a saving grace of the movie or anything, though. The movie still has a lot of issues, but Sally Floyd is thankfully not one of them.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Aug 10th 2020 at 7:03:06 AM

Even Miriam Sharpe wasn't an issue in the movie.

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
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Aug 10th 2020 at 7:05:42 AM

Sally Floyd was an American computer scientist and I feel sad that a notorious comic book character has the same name

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Aug 10th 2020 at 7:08:59 AM

[up][up][up] Sally Floyd wasn't in the movie.

Edited by windleopard on Aug 10th 2020 at 7:08:59 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Aug 10th 2020 at 7:10:43 AM

[up] That was the point me thinks.

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
Aug 10th 2020 at 7:18:07 AM

I was referring to the "or she did and she had a role that was so minor I forgot" part.

If they were being humorous, I apologize for not realizing that.

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Aug 10th 2020 at 8:48:42 AM

I honestly didn't know if she was in the movie or not, there's no need to apologize. Thank you for telling me.

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Aug 10th 2020 at 3:26:59 PM

Okey, I read the speech and it wasnt....so bad? everyone is just fix in the myspace as it was the basis on the argument and was just the point of "Cap, american it isnt what is suposed to be" also the whole "you think yourself and army and if that is the case I want accountability" I cant disagree with that.

And is hilarious the clearn wehr myth because can did use a variant of that in the movie by implying Wanda and pietro were people fighting the wrong side.

Of course that would being the atention the fact that Wanda decide to colaborate with hydra.

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