Marvel Cinematic Universe

Being more reasonable than Captain Marvel in that shitshow is a really, really low bar to clear.

Oof. That comic didn't help Carol's reputation at all.

She was indeed fucking awful in it.

The comics have too many out of characters for my liking,too much character assassination by butthead writers

There's hardly a character in Marvel who hasn't had the Character Assassination bullet put right through their head. Especially in the post disassembled, post House of M, post Civil War, post One More Day era of marvel.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 7th 2020 at 4:51:00 AM

Totally unprompted, here's my pitch for an Alpha Flight movie, based on the first storyline from John Byrne's run.

Lean in to the Aliens in Cardiff aspect of the series by starting the film in basically the middle of nowhere. In a small town on Random Island, Newfoundland there's a fish girl named Marrina Smallwood who aspires to become a superhero for the simple, classic reason of "I have superhuman abilities therefore I should use my abilities to help people". However Superhero Paradox is averted and a town of a couple hundred people does not suddenly start producing supervillains just because there's someone there to defend it. While I don't imagine more than a few minutes dedicated to this, some humour can be derived from other superhero tropes not working out how Marrina expects, such as any attempt to create a secret identity falling flat due to her green skin and everybody continuing to call her by her first name even when she's in costume. Eventually (but again probably not more than 10 minutes into the film) Marrina decides to contact/is discovered by Department H and she's inducted into Alpha Flight, which is the big leagues relative to where she started.

Alpha Flight is a team that defends the nation from bona fide supervillains but they aren't the idealized picture of superheroism that Marrina imagined. Some of them seem more interested in thrill or glory than in saving the world, a few seem like they don't even want to be there, their nominal leader is only acting as the leader because no one else was willing to step up. So the heroes spend much of the film saving people while still dealing with the metric ton of baggage that each member brings with them (Totally different from the imperial tons of baggage that American superheroes deal with in other Marvel movies).

As for the villain, well, Alpha Flight eventually realizes that there is a wide reaching evil plot (of some sort) unfolding, and tracing it back to its source they discover a crashed alien ship in the arctic, but there are no aliens remaining on the ship, only the MASTER OF THE WORLD who has been manipulating events from within this hidden base for millennia! The Master of the World is of course furious about his ancient slow burning plan being ruined and uses the ship's mechanisms to fight Alpha Flight. He exposits the backstory of the ship and how the eggs it carried were meant to colonize the earth but were all lost due to an accident, how he was a stone age human who abandoned his tribe and discovered the ship, how the automated mechanisms of the ship disassembled him piece by piece while he was still conscious, how his brain was integrated into the ship's computers and eventually learned to control them and finally reassemble himself, and Marrina's backstory, revealing that she was a surviving egg from the ship, that she is designed at a genetic level to conquer. The Master of the World uses some mechanism of the ship to reactive Marrina's alien instincts and cause her to go berserk, but the good guys snap her out of it and defeat the Master. Thematic resolution about how heroes choose to do the right thing regardless of where they come from. Oh and Guardian maybe dies at some point.

I wonder what editor looked at Civil War 2 and thought, YES THIS STORY WILL MAKE CAPTAIN MARVEL LIKEABLE!

Especially the part where she compares a Holocaust survivor to a Godwin's Law invoking Internet Troll.

Does Tony ever get punished for flying around in the no fly zone and destroying one of the planes that the military sent in Iron Man? I mean, surely, doing something as stupid as flying around in an active warzone without telling the military has got to violate some law, and the consequences of that (i.e. getting planes sent to shoot at you) are really on your head. Really didn't like that Tony brushed off all that legitimate criticism in the second film.

Also regarding the second film, was I intended to take Hammer seriously as a villain? I honestly don't know, I couldn't take him seriously.

Tom Brevoort, Wil Moss, Alanna Smith, and Alex Alonso.

Tony was in a war zone at the start of the movie doing a weapons demonstration, so it's not like he can't get permission to go there, even if he was less than upfront about his mode of transportation.

Hammer was definitely not meant to be taken seriously as a threat. He was the Big Bad Wannabe to Vanko's Big Bad. He was taking advantage of Hammer's resources to set-up the attack at the Stark Expo. Hammer was just someone who had absolutely no control of the situation, despite his attempts to do so.

The same who looked at Civil War 1 and thought it would make Cap and Iron Man likeable, probably.

Civil War 2 felt like the point were the practice of having events and continuity crossovers dominate the way characters and universes are written reached its inevitable event horizon, at least in comic format. Where everyone has to veer off character to justify the next crossover, hero characters are one bad sandwich away from declaring war, and nothing ever gets down because characters' runs are constantly being hijacked by the events.

I feel like characters have a tiny bit more room to breathe nowadays.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 7th 2020 at 11:47:25 AM

Tony can afford top notch lawyers to get him out of trouble Assuming he didn't just claim that incident totally wasn't him.

That's why i'm happy that Spidey is mostly avoiding being involved in these events aside from Tie-ins.

Poor Miles though.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 8th 2020 at 1:23:15 AM

Miles "just trying to make in a new universe but gets framed for killing Captain America instead" Morales?

Clearly, when Spidey was giving him meta-advice back in Spider-Men, he should've included "just say no when Tony Stark asks for a team-up."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 8th 2020 at 1:33:23 AM

Yeah, that.

It's like when you show up at Marvel events, just be prepared to see your favorite character suffer.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 8th 2020 at 1:40:48 AM

Miles beating Hydra Cap to a pulp effortlessly was still a good moment though.

Keep in mind that the conflict was kicked off by Tony kidnapping Ulysses.

Civil War 2 was a bad story but it shouldn't be held against Carol anymore than Civil War 1 should be held against Tony. And nothing Carol did in CW 2 was as bad as what the pro-reg side did in CW 1.

Which then got denied because of Cosmic Cube shenanigans.

The part that got "denied" was Miles choosing not to kill HyCap. Because the comic decided to insist that the cosmic cube piece is the only reason he didnt instead of, you know, Miles being a genuinely good person who wouldn't kill if given the choice. He still beat HyCap up. For as much of any of those events can be said to have still happened.

Yeah that part pissed me off.

I'm one of the people who agree Superheroes shouldn't kill, so Miles getting his moment where he rejects his darker impulses, sparing Captain Hydra and proving himself the better man was robbed.

Because Stevil clearly wasn't enough of a villain sue.

x4 Arresting people without any kind of trial or legal basis solely due to visions is pretty fascist I'd say. Especially the Ms Marvel tie-ins with her own private Kid Gestapo were really disturbing in that regard.

And before anybody says it, yeah, that woman she arrested did turn out to be bad, but only AFTER and BECAUSE she got unfairly arrested.

Create Your Own Villain and Self-Fulfilling Prophecy par excellence.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 8th 2020 at 1:06:24 PM

Plus, you know, Ulysses explicitly did not predict the future, he saw the probable future, which specifically is not guaranteed.

Everybody involved in Civil War II is a complete idiot, with the exception of Peter Parker in his tie-in, where he gets to act sensibly. Tony kidnaps and tortures an innocent man and starts a war for completely nonsensical and incoherent reasons, while Carol goes full dictator, eviscerating civil liberties to an extent that Judge Dredd would find objectionable.

What happened in the Ms Marvel tie-ins?