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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Jul 10th 2020 at 10:42:12 PM

But we've already had another Ock, even if it's the female one from Spider-Verse.

I don't think we should count Spider-Verse, it's not like DC fans count all of the DC animated films when thinking of things to do with the movies. Besides, Spider-Verse also had a Green Goblin in it.

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TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jul 11th 2020 at 5:39:32 AM

Besides, Spider-Verse also had a Green Goblin in it.

True, he was an advertised extra, but your point still stands.

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FGHIK Mr. Speaker from right behind you Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
Mr. Speaker
Jul 11th 2020 at 9:59:48 AM

I honestly feel a comic faithful mask is too silly to work in live-action. I know that's saying a lot when they've made things like Rocket and Groot work, but at least those make sense, it's just their face. The Goblin wearing such a weird mask defies explanation. I think you'd kind of have to make it look more practical to some degree, like they did with Vulture's costume.

Edited by FGHIK on Jul 11th 2020 at 12:00:50 PM

I missed the part where that's my problem.
Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Jul 11th 2020 at 10:01:22 AM

It’s technology

Like Spider Man’s movable eyes but much more

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Jul 11th 2020 at 10:01:50 AM

I think we're moving past the idea that things have to look as realistic as possible to be believable. That's always been something of an excuse studios used to avoid taking risks in the first place: the public will accept a lot as long as it's presented in a cool way and written well.

I remember back when people were assuming Mysterio wouldn't have his fishbowl helmet in Far From Home because after all there's no way the public would take such a silly costume seriously.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 11th 2020 at 10:03:29 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Jul 11th 2020 at 10:17:23 AM

Technically, he wasn't wearing the fishbowl helmet.

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Jul 11th 2020 at 10:20:58 AM

True. He was wearing an even goofier looking mocap suit and fishbowl. It just looked like the standard fishbowl after in-universe special effects.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 11th 2020 at 10:28:38 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Jul 11th 2020 at 10:32:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKmYJja-X4s

"In the comics he has a fishbowl on his head, we can't do that it's gonna look insane!"

"Actually we are gonna do it and it's gonna look awesome."

"How do we manage to pull that off."

"Because we're Marvel."

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Blue Reflection
Jul 11th 2020 at 10:43:29 AM

Mysterio has always been all about illusions and weird images. You could just obscure the fishbowl to show a flaming skull, make him look like he's got no head and other mind screwing shit until he actually loses and you see it's a fishbowl.

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Jul 11th 2020 at 11:00:18 AM

I think the idea that a concept's too outlandish for the MCU died the instant they made Howard the Duck a recurring character.

At this point, anything's fair game for them.

Akirakan Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jul 11th 2020 at 11:25:22 AM

Plus, technology to alter your face exists in the MCU. Remember the scene in Winter Soldier were Bkack Widow disguised as one of the council members?

chasemaddigan Detailed background characters
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Jul 11th 2020 at 11:48:12 AM

[up] Honestly, that would give them the perfect opportunity to have the Chameleon in a Spider-Man movie.

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Much more than meets the eye!
Jul 11th 2020 at 12:05:16 PM

[up][up][up] Howard the Duck series for Disney+ when? Seriously, you can chronicle how he wound up with The Collector, where he was during The Snap and what happened during the five year time-skip.

I'd compare it to The Lion King 1 1/2...but I can't think of any overlap beyond those two scenes he had in the GOTG movies. sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 11th 2020 at 3:08:34 PM

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Mr. Speaker
Jul 11th 2020 at 12:13:26 PM

Howard the Duck has only been used as a cameo joke. And yeah, they can make goofy things work. But what they did with Vulture and Mysterio, keeping the concept while making it more... Believable, that's what I think they'd need to do with the Green Goblin. I'm just not sure how that would work.

I missed the part where that's my problem.
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jul 11th 2020 at 12:18:40 PM

What if they made the Green Goblin mask motion-captured?

...Or would that cause people to freak out and get too distracted because they're like "how is that a mask?!"

Also, someone said Rhodey donning the Iron Patriot would put the kibosh on Armored!Norman, but would it though? What if the US Government confiscates the armor from Rhodey and Norman ends up buying it?

(Geez, I wish they just revealed The Benefactor is Norman already. 99.5% of the internet wants the Benefactor to be Norman anyway.)

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Blue Reflection
Jul 11th 2020 at 12:22:30 PM

Think we'll get President Rhodes on the future or something?

Jul 11th 2020 at 12:49:41 PM

If we're talking goofy stuff from Marvel that the MCU adapted, Professor Hulk with Mark Ruffalo talking normally while as Hulk.

I'm basing this as I predicted here that they'll do Professor Hulk after adapted Howard the Duck and that I was told it wouldn't work if it's Ruffalo talking normally as Hulk.

Hodor2 Squid Pro Quo
Squid Pro Quo
Jul 11th 2020 at 1:40:32 PM

I really hope that if the MCU uses Osborn or anyone else as a Goblin, they go with the mask route, not a "clearly armor" look or an actual physical transformation. For what it's worth, I'm kind of interested in seeing Roderick Kingsley.

I am on board with the idea of introducing Osborn as The Benefactor and potentially also going with the route of him leading a Thunderbolts team.

That being said, I have a sense (based on little evidence) that the MCU might be going the route of having Thunderbolt Ross leading a team of anti-heroes and/or villains pretending to be heroes, and I'd think the MCU would need to choose one or the other.

RE The Chameleon, I would like to see him in the MCU and those masks are a ready way of explaining his powers. However, I kind of feel like having those masks exist (not to mention Talos) takes away from what makes The Chameleon cool and mysterious.

Edited by Hodor2 on Jul 11th 2020 at 3:42:01 AM

RavenWilder Raven Wilder
Raven Wilder
Jul 11th 2020 at 3:21:51 PM

Y'know, assuming that the Green Goblin has the technology to build a hyper-expressive mask (reasonable, considering some of the other tech he has access to), there's actually a good reason for giving himself a green-skinned, inhuman looking face that nevertheless looks like a living face rather than a mask. In the MCU, if people see a supervillain with that face, they're likely to assume he's yet another alien invader, and won't even consider the idea that it might be a mask disguising a regular old human.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Jul 11th 2020 at 3:37:09 PM

I'm not sure if I want another rehash of the whole Osborn / Parker-spiel.

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
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Mr. Speaker
Jul 11th 2020 at 3:46:27 PM

That's also true. I feel the same way about it that I do about Batman, there's a whole lot of villains in their Rogues Gallery with untapped potential that I'd rather see than constant rehashing of the most popular ones.

I missed the part where that's my problem.
HandsomeRob High Priest of the Holey Brotherhood! from Holey Brotherhood Lair Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
High Priest of the Holey Brotherhood!
Jul 11th 2020 at 3:51:38 PM

Well, even both the Amazing series and the MCU have been taking it slow with Osborn.

Amazing didn't have him appear until the second movie (and was more of a Greater-Scope Villain in that) who supposedly was dying, and he hasn't shown up in the MCU at all. It seems they are saving Norman for later. I'm guessing he won't show up before Otto does, since the two of them seem to be going back and forth on which of them is Peter's real Arch-Enemy ever since Otto started picking up his game with Ends of the Earth and Superior Spiderman.

Time will tell though.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Jul 11th 2020 at 4:07:43 PM

Spider-Man has a rogues gallery rich enough they could perfectly well do a whole trilogy without using any of the previous featured villains. As observed, Kraven the Hunter and Hobgoblin have never shown up in film form and they're some pretty big ones. There's also some of the more underrated/recent ones like Mr. Negative, Tombstone, Hammerhead, Spencer Smythe, Silvermane and Sin-Eater. Hell, toss in Jackal and Spot and you have a party.

From the foes in the Raimi/ASM trilogies the high-profile one I could more easily see again would be Doctor Octopus, particularly since Doc Ock has a habit of getting different characterizations with each writer (while still sticking to the broad "mad scientist with mechanical appendages" concept). But really, Spidey has villains to spare. Use them.

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