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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Tangent, but was any individual character franchise as disrupted by the Avengers movies as Thor was?
Ending of Thor 1: "I've destroyed the Rainbow Bridge, but I swear I will find a way back and reunite with Jane."
Avengers 1: "Turns out Odin had a way to get me back to Earth without any complications. I don't really have time for Jane, but I'll pop back over in a few years, I guess."
Ending of Thor 2: "I've decided that I no longer want to live on Asgard. I plan to stay on Earth with Jane forever."
Avengers 2: "I mean I guess I have to leave to figure out this infinity stone stuff, whatever."
Ending of Thor 3: "...back to Earth? Please?"
Avengers 3: "Oh god why"
I wonder about the Jane Thor movie. Is it going to be more space-based, or more terrestrial? The Thor trilogy was strictly focused on Thor as a space high fantasy series with little space for content that didn't fit that mold (which is one of the reasons why Earth felt so shakily placed in the first two), but with a new protag comes new character goals and such.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 18th 2020 at 5:31:55 AM
Look, in fairness, its Thor 2 that decided that Thor didn't pop in between movies.
Hell, you could have had Thor visiting Jane the whole time or maybe she's been on Asgard helping to repair the Bifrost.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI don't think Thor 4 is supposed to star Jane Thor so much as feature her; supposedly Taika Waititi has confirmed that Chris Hemsworth is the star.
And oh, poor Thor. You can make his character progression from Thor 1-Avengers-2 cohesive with some work, but going off into space after Avengers 2 throws a wrench in it, and then after that he goes completely off the rails and each movie's portrayal contradicts the last.
I feel like 'you don't need Mjolnir' is a different thing from expecting Thor to punch Thanos to death.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThat's one thing I always found a bit off; where was Thor between Thor: The Dark World and Avengers: Age of Ultron? The Stinger for Dark World suggests he stayed on Earth and Ragnarok seemed to go with this idea (what with Thor starting to realize Loki has taken Odin's place), but it feels off to me. Was Thor just chilling at Jane's place for two years? Was he periodically traveling between Earth and the Nine Realms between films?
In fact, when did Jane break up with Thor? It seems to have happened before Ragnarok, but Thor went on his journey to find the Infinity Stones immediately after the end of Age of Ultron. Did they break-up during that film? Was it right before Thor had to leave, or was even before that? Was the scene where Thor was comparing girlfriends with Tony actually him trying to hide that their relationship was on the rocks?
The more I think about it, the more unexplored territory it is. Where's my fanfic exploring this part of Thor and Jane's relationship?
True, but the actions of a small extremist faction causing widespread fear and hatred towards that group as a whole is what we saw happen with the Muslim community in America due to the actions of 19 hijackers.
I doubt they'd even use the Namor explanation here since there's been nothing to even suggest he exists in the MCU, but who knows.
I still don't get why it had to be an either-or decision. The Bifrost was restored so Thor could go back and forth whenever he wanted (Heimdall allowing it, and he seemed pretty amenable to sending Thor wherever he wanted to go), and Jane would've loved to relocate to an advanced alien world powered by magiscience for an extended period of time if Thor had to return to Asgard.
It sounds like another Avenger, Echo, is being cast for one of the Disney Plus shows
. Probably either Hawkeye (since she was one of the people to use the Ronin identity) or Moon Knight.
It’s obviously important to note that this casting call does not indicate what series the role is for, so we can only speculate that it’s for Echo, one of Marvel’s most prominent deaf characters, speculation made much easier by the fact that the description checks just about every box on the Maya Lopez checklist.
Namor and Magneto are easily the worst things to happen to Mutants.
Edited by windleopard on Jun 18th 2020 at 11:37:33 AM
Personally on rewatching Age of Ultron recently, it was a lot more fun than I remembered. It did drag in places, but the interaction between the Avengers was great. I think I fell victim to a sort of reverse nostalgia, making the bad parts seem a lot worse than they were while forgetting the good parts.
Edited by FGHIK on Jun 18th 2020 at 1:42:18 PM
RE:This post
- I think the implication was that Thor stayed on earth with Jane after Dark World and joined up with the others for some Avengering whenever needed. As for when they broke up, perhaps Thor would periodically visit Earth during his space quest? It's either that, or Jane broke up via space telegram.
IIRC, the party scene in Ultron put Tony and Thor in a passive-aggressive weewee measuring contest about who had the more successful girlfriend. Pepper dumped Tony shortly before Civil War, and it's unclear when Jane sent the space telegram.
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"Next step of evolution"...that is not how evolution works.
Evolution isn't about the future. It's about the past.
With mutants for example, one could look at a rise in mutant birthrates and see if there's any possible correlation with past events. In the original comics, the detonation of the atomic bombs in WW II triggered a rise in mutant birthrates when beforehand they were extremely rare.
Mutants aren't even "superior" in a natural selection sense since that's ultimately about reproduction. Unless being a mutant increased one's chances in the dating pool, it's not actually an advantage. Especially when you consider that some mutations are so extreme that the mutants are physically incapable of having sex. Meaning they are genetic dead ends.
Edited by M84 on Jun 20th 2020 at 3:06:22 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedI'm not gonna discuss semantics, I was pointing out the IN-UNIVERSE reason on why Mutants are more hated than other powered people.
You can argue on how that doesn't make sense, but racism in general isn't really known for being a coherent, reasonable ideology either.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianThe point is that Mutants are not the "next step of natural evolution". They're a by-product of space god aliens messing around with a bunch of cavepeople.
It is not a matter of semantics. It's a matter of a fundamental misunderstanding of what evolution is.
Edited by M84 on Jun 19th 2020 at 4:11:45 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

In general, rhe end of Phase 1 and going into Phase 2 felt a lot like a period where Marvel was afraid to branch out. They were setting up Avengers, and setting up only, and generally played it safe and only hit new ground when they had to - with Guardians and Winter Soldier as the primary exceptions.
It hit the characters with sequels the worst (though again, an exception in Cap), and in that period you got some of the most repetitive plot beats, bog-standard antagonists and impact-less plots in the entire MCU, without an awful lot of new layers being added to anyone.
It hit its peak with Ultron, and even though Ant-Man did start to break out of it you can still see that "play it safe to the exclusion of everything" mentality there, just lessening over time.
I've always associated that going away with Perlmutter's departure.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 18th 2020 at 4:57:20 AM