Marvel Cinematic Universe

Apparently there are rumors about Endgame featuring a new villain. I don't know how reliable they are.

It's probable that there's going to be some kind of new enemy in there so that it isn't just Thanos again. Even Star Wars, which has entire trilogies of the heroes fighting the same group of evil people every time, ensures that the Big Bad of any particular movie is always different.

A while ago people were theorizing that it would be Annihilus / The Annihilation Wave, and while that specifically never made a lot of sense (since the deal hadn't even gone through at the time), the idea has merit. We see the future with Ant-Man, and not only is it awful, but some apocalyptic new threat is wiping out the universe (which the heroes are unable to stop, because of how weak the Snap has made everyone). Then we go back in time again, and the Thanos business gets fixed but we know that that threat is coming, so that becomes the plot of the next Avengers film.

If they don't do that, though, and it goes by the way the comic went, I'm thinking the other "villain" might be (a significantly less evil) Nebula. I had the idea that they would do the thing where Nebula gets the Gauntlet and goes mad with power, but make it more sympathetic and perhaps even mash it together with House of M: have Nebula legitimately try to make the world better for everyone, but since her mentality and sense of morality are so skewed thanks to Thanos it still ends up being something awful, and the Avengers still have to stop her.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 9th 2018 at 1:55:42 AM

Hilariously, How It Should Have Ended played with the Nebula thing by having her get the gauntlet, kill Thanos, then toss it aside because she realizes she has no business wielding it.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 9th 2018 at 4:55:46 AM

I think the big bad should be one Thanos's surviving children,someone like..Supergiant? bear in mind I don't read comics but reading her wikipedia page puts her in the "She has cool powers and sounds like fun super villain"

How they could use her?Well,Thanos teleported away after using the gauntlet and he's critically injured,his remaining Children are desperately trying to locate him,have her lead the search just like how the comics had her searching for Thanos's son.

I could also see Ebony Maw turning up again,maybe while Tony is floating through space he comes across him or something

I am not sure if Endgame actually needs an outright villain.

Edited by Swanpride on Dec 9th 2018 at 2:11:08 AM

Personally, if I were to have a new villain, I'd make it so it's a direct response to Thanos' actions. For example, say there were three people responsible for making sure Annihilus stays in the Negative Zone. Because of Thanos killing half the universe, they're all wiped out and suddenly there's no one left to stop Annihilus from coming and wiping out everyone else who survived.

Maybe they could amplify cases like that so multiple threats come to wreak havoc on the universe at the same time. What Annihilus attacked while Dormammu decided to return now that Strange is gone? The devastation caused by them leads to various alien races waging war over their dwindling resources, Galactus has less planets to choose from to feed, demons from Hell feel this is the perfect opportunity to strike against humanity, Shuma-Gorath plans to take advantage of the chaos and enslave those who are left, etc.

And when dozens of factions invade Thanos' farm to get the Infinity Gauntlet for their own purposes, he'll realize just how badly he fucked up.

Obviously this a bit of a long shot from happening, but it's fun to think about.

None of you have ever read the Infinity Gauntlet comic if you think MCU!Nebula has anything to do with Comic!Nebula: the latter was a flat-out cackling villain in that story, not to mention being humiliated and tormented by Thanos through most of it.

But in the MCU? By IW, she's a flat-out heroine. The worst you can say about her is that she has a very small fuse and is probably not the most pleasant person to take out on a date, but even her revenge against Thanos isn't completely self-serving, Vol. 2 showed she does care about stopping his atrocities and sparing innocent of pain.

I also really don't think it is possible to apply real life far-right political ideologies to Thanos when taking in consideration that his entire motivation isn't about saving the universe; it's about proving himself right. The directors said as much.

So whoever said that Thanos will end up a classical, Greek-style Tragic Villain is, I think, right on the money.

You jest, but if there is any character in the movie who can truly be blinded by hatred, it is Clint. Well, Rocket too, but that one will be over the Despair Event Horizon.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 9th 2018 at 7:34:22 AM

The other villain will be Clint as he's mad with the others for falling to stop Thanos and thinks are partly responsible for his family deaths.

I wouldn't want Nebula to go full villain.

Right? That's throwing her entire character arc away.

"Meaning they were fighting together for a whole year, and they developed a rapport so good, they are moving like one unit at this point."

Which is informated atribute because we dont see it, we see they are more likey to talk with each other but for the rest of the movie, Cap and Tony argue again, also it is kind of a big deal because they argue about the role of the avenger in general, as whole I never feel they were friend, jusr collegue who sort of respect each other?.

About Thannos...yeah they will make pitable, even when is plan is the most nonsesical of all, I will imagine him being tormented by the ghost of little gamora.

Yeah his plan was nonsensical so what? Doesn’t automatically make him not capabale of being pitiable.

Everyone know his plans has severe holes, it just doesn't matter.

Because he unleash a genocide of half of the universe, is kind to look that and said "Im the sad party here".

I mean unlike all other villian thannos actually unleash is horrifying plan to the universe, is hard to builds sympathy after that.

There is a difference between pity & sympathy.

Just because I pity him does not mean I am sympathetic to him.

I can acknowledge that he is both a horrible person & a sad broken thing.

It’s been done many times before.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 9th 2018 at 5:27:12 AM

Mayve but I dont know if Thannos deserve such, he cross the moral evident horizon waaaaaay to many times, Is kind hard to care.

Not really.

Your supposed to take pleasure or satisfaction in the fact that even though he won he sure as Hell doesn’t feel like it.

Pyrrhic Victory all the way through.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 9th 2018 at 5:41:03 AM

Random question I had regarding Ghost rider's penitence stare,if he used penitence stare on his reflection in a mirror would he still be effected in the same way?

For me is a empty confort, is pretty much "you won but you feel bad about it" which it would be intersting if it wasnt the fact he genocide half of the universe for it.

That doesn’t make it not interesting or render it invalid.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 9th 2018 at 5:51:16 AM

I don't pity him. Before he snapped everything, he was the Al Capone of the galaxy. He had riches, he had armies, he had daughters he convinced himself loved him or enjoyed torturing. He still has nearly all of those and can get more of what's missing. And he had plenty of means to research his plan and find "oh, turns out there's a lot of data about how killing half of every planet is actually dumb." He just really really couldn't stand his people telling his plan sucked. He acts sad about his plan to give the middle finger to his rivals who have been piles of bones on Titan for who knows how long.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 9th 2018 at 6:30:25 AM

If you seriously think the MCU can’t use their own spins on the characters and do plots from the comics while keeping those spins consistent at the same time, you haven’t been paying attention.

Half the MCU has been “adaptations of comics plots, but changed to fit our versions of the characters.”

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 9th 2018 at 6:27:15 AM

Exactly this. It’d be like pitying Hitler or Stalin. Only worse, cause he murdered HALF OF ALL LIFE.

Edited by wisewillow on Dec 9th 2018 at 9:27:18 AM

I’d take out the Hitler comparison.

He ain’t no racist at least.

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He murdered. Half the entire universe.

And?

He didn’t do it out of any hatred for a specific race or species.

Equal Opprotunity Evil is always the best kind of evil.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 9th 2018 at 6:38:20 AM