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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#351: Jan 18th 2012 at 8:50:40 PM

So, do I remove the bit on the character page or what?

edited 18th Jan '12 8:50:49 PM by KnownUnknown

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#352: Jan 18th 2012 at 9:54:33 PM

It's been brought up that Film.The Avengers needs to be turned into a disambiguation. Preferences on Film.The Avengers 2012 or Film.The Avengers Marvel?

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#353: Jan 18th 2012 at 11:54:20 PM

[up] The latter. The former suggests it could be connected to the other one.

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#354: Jan 19th 2012 at 12:20:09 AM

Does the film of the series have its own page?

I'd say "Film.Marvel's The Avengers", if we could get the apostrophe or something to work.

edited 19th Jan '12 12:20:54 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#355: Jan 19th 2012 at 7:12:16 AM

^ It would have to be Film/MarvelsTheAvengers, with a custom title to make "Marvels" into "Marvel's".

That said, "Marvel" being somewhere in the name would be a better idea, I think, though I'm not sure at which end it would work better.

The options (as customized titles, with non-custom in brackets):

  1. Marvel's The Avengers [Film/MarvelsTheAvengers]
  2. The Avengers (Marvel) [Film/TheAvengersMarvel]

edited 19th Jan '12 7:13:23 AM by Nohbody

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#356: Jan 19th 2012 at 8:31:27 AM

Not to mention there's already an article about The Avengers film based on the British spy show.

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#357: Jan 19th 2012 at 9:21:14 PM

I don't know if I've said this already, but I'm thinking I really want the villain for the next Avengers movie to be The Leader. There's no plans for any other Hulk movies at the moment (unlike the scores of other movies they have planned for some of their other characters), and seeing their version of Sterns again as a villain sounds wonderful, as both for some closure for Banner and because I can really see that guy as an amoral megalomaniacal scientist. Of the villains they've already had set up that aren't dead yet, he seems the best choice, though of course adapting other villains is always a possibility.

Just imagine the stinger for Avengers: a group of Loki's men recoups, talking about how they have no chance now that the Avengers have formed, when a shadowy figure steps up. "Maybe all you need is a new..." and then the figure steps into the light, and is revealed as, well, you know: "... Leader."

Awesome.

The only downside is people might think they have a thing for characters with big heads, given that M.O.D.O.K. is planned to be the baddie for the next Captain America movie.

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#358: Jan 19th 2012 at 11:04:59 PM

@ kyun, that's sort of the problem. We need the page at The Avengers to be a disambiguation so we can point people to the proper page. Shimaspawn suggested that we use 2012 for consistencies sake.

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#359: Jan 22nd 2012 at 9:59:48 AM

Rewatched Thor. Looking at it again, I'd say it's fairly certain that while the team dynamics will probably be most centered around Tony and Cap, the plot will likely be most centered around Thor. A portion of the movie will probably revolve around trying to find a way back to Asgard.

In fact, I bet they'll have it so that Cap, Hawkeye, Iron Man, and Widow are the team at first, until they run into the first stages of Loki's plans and and Thor is finally contacted just in time for a Big Damn Heroes moment. Rinse and repeat for the Hulk.

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#360: Jan 22nd 2012 at 11:40:25 AM

Does anyone know when the end of Captain America is set within the timeline of the movies? Most of the movies we can see where they are set via stingers or blink and you'll miss it moments, but as far as I saw, there is no way to tell when Cap woke up.

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#361: Jan 22nd 2012 at 12:05:07 PM

The general theory is that the end of Captain America takes place last in the set, directly before The Avengers will start. Otherwise, it probably would've been mentioned in one of the other movies.

Anyways, I just figured out something - Loki mentions means around the universe beyond merely Bifrost, right? What if the Cosmic Cube as seen here is one of those means - something like a portable Bifrost? It has a fraction of Bifrost's power, which while not enough to obliterate an entire world like Loki attempts but still more than enough to disintegrate a human being if not much, much more if tapped, but when the raw power is held by Skull it does what it was created to do and opens a portal instead. Hrm...

On an unrelated note - given how much Loki has had a hand in Thor's rogue's gallery, I'm predicting Avengers will end with Loki imprisoned or somehow punished such that he is unable to act directly (or as directly as he acts, anyway), but future Thor movies will have him appear subtly influencing the growth of other threats for his brother.

edited 22nd Jan '12 12:34:24 PM by KnownUnknown

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#362: Jan 22nd 2012 at 3:52:34 PM

You mean Midgard (Earth). Thor's stuck on Asgard.

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#363: Jan 22nd 2012 at 3:58:28 PM

No, I said it right. Since Thor apparently has no way to reconstruct Bifrost (at least, in a timely fashion), it's probable that much of the plot will involve Jane trying to find a way to get to Asgard rather than vice versa.

Addendum: I really want to see Moses Magnum as a villain in a future movie.

edited 23rd Jan '12 6:48:34 AM by KnownUnknown

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#365: Jan 23rd 2012 at 8:29:36 AM

[up] Cool. I didn't want either the Skrulls or the Kree Skrull war. I was actually thinking that Red Skull would have been a better partner for Loki, they could have met wherever they went and then joined forces, a revived Hydra could have served as better minions than Skrulls.

So who do you think the villains are? I've no idea, unless he's embraced his frost giant heritage.

[up][up] Magnum? The guy who tried to sink Japan? Really?

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#366: Jan 23rd 2012 at 8:45:45 AM

Huh.

Well, a couple of months away. Though it was nice to hear confirmed that Skull isn't absolutely dead/

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#367: Jan 23rd 2012 at 9:29:04 AM

[up] It isn't really confirmation of anything. If he turns up again he's obviously not dead, if he never does and the series finishes we can still assume he died. This isn't a guarantee he will ever be used.

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#368: Jan 23rd 2012 at 10:34:55 AM

^^^ Among lots of other things - he has a very nice niche as a kind of lower-scale mix between Pre-Crisis Lex Luthor and Post-Crisis Lex Luthor.

Anyways, this news makes me quite happy: I was always kind of off about the idea of the Skrulls as Loki's army. Not that I don't like the Skrulls, just that I thought it was bringing together way too much way to fast. I had the idea that the best "army" for Loki was a revived HYDRA (which works as bringing together elements we've already been introduced to together to make both even more formidable), though... however, Loki's army is indirectly confirmed to be an alien species which exists in the comics, just not the Skrulls.

wild mass guess if one considers extradimensional beings as aliens, Loki's army are the Jotun: he cons them into thinking Thor and Odin are responsible for the Bifrost Massacre, and convinces them to attack Midgard in revenge (with the side-aim of not caring who dies in the conflict, human, Aesir or Jotun, as long as he sees those he hates pay as much as possible).wild mass guess

edited 23rd Jan '12 10:39:44 AM by KnownUnknown

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#369: Jan 25th 2012 at 5:53:37 AM

Some more info - first, the news we just got, but with pictures. Ooooh.

Some promising info about Thor 3, which I believe is set for new year. Also, my speculations for Loki's fate are moot, as he is confirmed to be alive and under some kind of punishment in the second Thor movie.

And... brace yourselves, it's the Avenger. IN 3-DEEEE!

Also, someone is either lying, exaggerating or mistaken about Spider-Man being a character.

edited 25th Jan '12 8:29:34 AM by KnownUnknown

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#370: Jan 25th 2012 at 9:13:49 AM

Wait a minute... Is that 3D image itself faked or composite or something? Becase War Machine is in it, and I think the other female is the Wasp.

Any speculation on who the alien race might be? I doubt it's the Jotun, personally.

edited 25th Jan '12 9:15:24 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#371: Jan 25th 2012 at 9:45:42 AM

[up] Whether it's a composite or not it's comic artwork, not photography. So it's not official.

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#372: Jan 25th 2012 at 11:50:58 AM

^^ I looked up a few other possible candidates. I was struck with the idea that nobody said Loki's alien army had to be intelligent. They could be a race of savage monsters, or hive mind drones that he put himself in charge of. Easier to control that way, and those kinds of races are often much more devastatingly destructive.

I thought of the Brood, but since those are more X-Men than Avengers I kind of doubt it. Other than them and the Skrull-Kree, though, I don't know enough about much about Marvel's alien races to make any distinction any other way. I am glad it isn't the Skrulls though.

But Jotun is still my theory until we're told different.

^ It could be official art that was 3D-ized - maybe from the MCU comic line Marvel is currently developing. That image of the Wasp is... very interesting. Those are clearly the MCU designs, after all...

edited 25th Jan '12 1:54:08 PM by KnownUnknown

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#373: Jan 25th 2012 at 12:14:17 PM

[up] I'd considred the Brood too, but they're too squicky for a film like this, and Marvel probably couldn't get away with characters like that on film.

I'd think a non sentient race is pretty likely, but I can't think of any suitable ones. Or at least ones that are counted as aliens in the comics.

That said, he didn't actually deny the Kree did he? Just that they weren't going to set anything up with them.

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#374: Jan 25th 2012 at 1:04:27 PM

He said something along the lines of the Kree-Skrull quagmire not being anywhere near the movie.

Could be this guy / these guys.

edited 26th Jan '12 11:04:28 AM by KnownUnknown

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#375: Jan 26th 2012 at 12:54:17 PM

[up] Well the one that crops up most often was the villain of issue 2, so that ties in quite nicely with Loki. And of course they're pretty similar to Skrulls, so they'd act the same way. Still if they were used it would almost certainly hint at Immortus/Kang, and we've been told the aliens aren't going to build to anything. I brought up the Kree because they don't necessarily have to be used in connection to any future storylines, they could just be standalone villains.

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