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ScanVisor Democrat from Laurel, MD Since: Jun, 2011
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#1: Aug 4th 2011 at 11:01:26 PM

I just thought I'd let the Troper community know that I have created a page for Trivium, since I love them so much. That "Love them so much part" mught've come through a BIT too clearly on the page, so I suggest that anyone edit it that feels that it is necessary. Please, no warring, I know that you either love or hate Trivium.

Here's the link. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Trivium

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cityofmist turning and turning from Meanwhile City Since: Dec, 2010
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#2: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:18:50 AM

I just went through the page, corrected all the spelling and grammar, and alphabetised the tropes you included; I hope you don't mind. You seem to have some trouble with 'it's' and 'its'. (Also, if you want to link to a trope with just the trope's name, you don't need to pothole it in square brackets, just TypeTheTropeLikeThis and it will automatically link.)

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Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#3: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:39:41 AM

No offence, but I don't think Genre Busting is a trope that applies. That should probably be cut from he page.

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BoundByTheMoon Kvltvre Vvltvre from The Spanish Sahara Since: Jun, 2010
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#4: Aug 5th 2011 at 5:37:57 AM

Well, this entry was clearly written by a fan. I'll let you make of that what you will.

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ScanVisor Democrat from Laurel, MD Since: Jun, 2011
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#5: Aug 5th 2011 at 6:12:23 AM

Thanks for cleaning up the page guys. I literally wrote all of that last night whilst hopped up on caffiene and New Album excitement. (In Waves comes out on Tuesday!) It looks cleaner and reads better. Also thanks to whoever added it to the musicians index.

I disagree vehemently with the removal of Genre Busting, but it was probably best considering that it's mostly covered by New Sound Album.

I'm also adding Word Salad Lyrics because I just read the lyrics to new single "Dusk Dismantled". They probably have a few other examples, but this is the first blatant one to me.

In addition, Memetic Mutation. You know the one. BOAT! RUDDER! STRANGE! MOUNTAIN!

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Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#6: Aug 5th 2011 at 6:59:24 AM

Yeah. New album sound is better/more applicable. Looks a little better in the page too.

Imagine Rakan applying Calling Your Attacks to doing paperwork.~Anarchy Rakan for the hell of it COMMISSION THIS BRIDGE!~EHK
BoundByTheMoon Kvltvre Vvltvre from The Spanish Sahara Since: Jun, 2010
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#7: Aug 5th 2011 at 7:01:17 AM

When people use Genre-Busting, the examples are usually a bit more extreme, like Candiria or Primus.

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KitsuneInferno Jackass Detector from East Tennessee Since: Apr, 2009
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#8: Aug 5th 2011 at 10:56:23 AM

I can't be the only one who's vexed by Genre-Busting and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly being used to describe bands that incorporate pretty much only nondisparate forms of rock/metal. Because a band that switches between metalcore, thrash metal, and progressive metal is totally as genre-defying as Buckethead or Mr. Bungle!

edited 5th Aug '11 11:42:25 AM by KitsuneInferno

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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#9: Aug 5th 2011 at 11:09:33 AM

[up]Fear not, you are not alone.

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BoundByTheMoon Kvltvre Vvltvre from The Spanish Sahara Since: Jun, 2010
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#10: Aug 5th 2011 at 12:20:19 PM

[up]/[up][up]Indeed.

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KitsuneInferno Jackass Detector from East Tennessee Since: Apr, 2009
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#11: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:05:18 PM

And now, a list of artists certifiably more popular and eclectic than Trivium:

  • Damon Albarn (britpop, indie, hip-hop, electronic, orchestral)
  • Beck (anti-folk, alternative, hip-hop)
  • David Bowie (pyschedelic rock, folk, heavy metal, electronic, soul, art rock)
  • The Doors (progressive, jazz, psychedelic rock, blues)
  • Faith No More (alternative everything)
  • Jethro Tull (progressive, folk, blues, electronic, classical)
  • Kid Rock (hip-hop, rap-metal, country, blues, southern rock)
  • Linkin Park (nu-metal, alternative, hip-hop, electronic)
  • Primus (thrash metal, funk, psychedelic rock, alternative)
  • Prince (funk, R&B, synthpop, hip-hop, rock, jazz)
  • Queen (progressive, heavy metal, gospel, blues, disco, psychedelic rock)
  • They Might Be Giants (alternative everything)
  • U2 (post-punk, alternative, electronic)
  • Kanye West (hip-hop, electropop, soul, alternative)
  • Frank Zappa (art rock, classical, jazz, progressive, heavy metal)

edited 5th Aug '11 1:43:26 PM by KitsuneInferno

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.
ScanVisor Democrat from Laurel, MD Since: Jun, 2011
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#12: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:30:00 PM

Actually, I think what I put at the top of the page describes it best.

SUB-Genre-Busting.

A lot of modern metal falls under this. Trivium is another example. There's always an under-riding current of Thrash/Metalcore, but that's a pretty vague descriptor for modern metal (the same could be said of Nevermore or Children of Bodom, and these three bands DO NOT sound alike).

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#13: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:37:30 PM

The problem with that is that Genre-Busting should be obvious even to someone who has no in-depth knowledge of the genre.

Which is why a band that does metal and then randomly throws a jazz section into the middle of their song is genre busting, whereas a band that mixes thrashcore, doom metal, black metal, and broccoli-post-speedpunk is not.

Likewise, despite the fact that he mixes Jazz Rap, Conscious Hip-Hop, Glam Rap, and the odd Horrorcore or Crunk, Kanye West is not genre busting.

edited 5th Aug '11 1:38:41 PM by SpainSun

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BoundByTheMoon Kvltvre Vvltvre from The Spanish Sahara Since: Jun, 2010
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#14: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:40:18 PM

I'm still on the fence about Children Of Bodom... Their later stuff is almost completely metal, but their first two albums had moments where they would suddenly start playing Mozart pieces in the middle of a song, along with some baroque-classical influence other than that. Genre-Busting?

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KitsuneInferno Jackass Detector from East Tennessee Since: Apr, 2009
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#15: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:54:56 PM

I don't see switching between thrash and metalcore as genre-busting in the slightest considering both styles are, at their core, derivatives of punk and metal. The only distinction a layman can discern is which one sounds less cacophonic.

edited 5th Aug '11 2:03:43 PM by KitsuneInferno

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AsTheAnointed Since: Jan, 2010
#16: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:05:20 PM

[up][up]Nah, there's a neoclassical edge to that material but it's no more pronounced than that of many power metal bands (at least in my experience).

ScanVisor Democrat from Laurel, MD Since: Jun, 2011
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#17: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:12:19 PM

My apologies regarding "Genre Busting" then.

Check the page, I jsut added a whole bunch of shit. Again. It's not as positiviely biased, I promise. See Painful Rhyme. I also was the one who originally added the Memetic Mutation and Word Salad Lyrics.

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ScanVisor Democrat from Laurel, MD Since: Jun, 2011
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#18: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:18:10 PM

Also, related to the "Metal Bands That Don't Have TV Tropes Pages" topic, why the hell is there not a Nevermore page? The band makes the Best Metal Album of the Last Decade (This Godless Endeavor) and we give them no love? C'm'on, guys!

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
Laugh it off, everybody
#19: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:19:35 PM

Hey, if you wanna make one go ahead.

I had to make the Aesop Rock page, would've made the OFWGKTA page too, but someone beat me to it.

edited 5th Aug '11 2:20:26 PM by SpainSun

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BoundByTheMoon Kvltvre Vvltvre from The Spanish Sahara Since: Jun, 2010
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#20: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:26:50 PM

why the hell is there not a Nevermore page?

/me glares at As The Annointed

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AsTheAnointed Since: Jan, 2010
#21: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:34:14 PM

Swear down, you always said you were going to make that page!

edited 5th Aug '11 2:35:18 PM by AsTheAnointed

ScanVisor Democrat from Laurel, MD Since: Jun, 2011
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#22: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:36:49 PM

I'll make the Nevermore page as soon as I'm done being burned out on starting the Trivium page.

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AsTheAnointed Since: Jan, 2010
#23: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:38:16 PM

I actually wouldn't mind making it myself, I just thought BBTM had called it ages ago.

ScanVisor Democrat from Laurel, MD Since: Jun, 2011
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#24: Aug 5th 2011 at 3:04:48 PM

Wait, is there a Sanctuary page? Shit, that'll have to get made, because they're far more Tropetastic than Nevermore. Sanctuary is just the classic 80's metal approach. Nevermore is either an aversion, a subversion, or both.

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AsTheAnointed Since: Jan, 2010
#25: Aug 5th 2011 at 3:07:12 PM

Started the Nevermore page - it needs tropes/examples, though.


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