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TweedlyDee BWAAAH! from Kansas Since: Apr, 2010
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#1: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:29:55 PM

After looking at the Article Brown Eyes, I have to ask, why is it most males in anime aren't drawn that way? I imagine at some point it might have been more common, but why is it most anime boys are drawn as dull bishies? The image of that guy from Bleach is still recognizably anime styled but more, well, masculine, without even having a gigantic shovel chin.

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Schitzo HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE from Akumajou Dracula Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: LA Woman, you're my woman
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#2: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:37:19 PM

If you'd like more characters drawn in that manner, look at Kawajiri animes, Fist Of The North Star, and Berserk. I too share your lament.

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Anarchy just a medicine seller from Perak, Malaysia Since: Jun, 2010
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#3: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:53:12 PM

Go read American-style comic books if you don't like pretty boys. tongue

Seriously though, I find that the more masculine look is usually reserved for older, more mature men, while teenagers and younger men are drawn to have a more androgynous look to them, which many girls find appealing. It's the same as asking why do women in American comic books have big boobs.

^Male characters with more masculine-looking character designs are not the rare breed you make them out to be. Really.

edited 3rd Aug '11 7:55:09 PM by Anarchy

Signed Always Right Since: Dec, 2009
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#4: Aug 3rd 2011 at 8:21:20 PM

I'm gonna say... because it's ugly. Not brown eyes, but the other qualities you probably have in mind. Big lips, superman chin, etc.

But if you want a better answer, because it's just unpopular with both genders. The girls like a handsome male character. And the guys see them as ridiculous.

If you want a masculine character, just have a character do masculine things, like loudly calling their attacks, wear long epic scarves, and punch super fast.


On second thought, my only problem with Chad is his hair and lips...those two qualities makes him pretty ugly. Nothing to do with his brown eyes. tongue

Seriously, get rid of those large lips and his weird hair and he probably looks decent.

edited 3rd Aug '11 8:25:22 PM by Signed

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#5: Aug 3rd 2011 at 8:42:05 PM

Yeah it's ugly.

Also the trope your looking for is Puni Plush.

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Sparkysharps Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Aug 3rd 2011 at 8:45:59 PM

One reason is simple... er, simplification. It's easier to consistently draw and animate someone without a square jaw. It's one less thing to worry about.

Same goes for noses. You can "hint" at a small nose in ways you can't bit noses — a quick line and a dot and BOOM, small nose.

Of course, there are aesthetics involved too. A quick glance through Japan's current stock of male eyecandy brings up the more feminine sort at the moment. Still, sometimes the most likely answer is, "'cause it's easy."

PrinterThorn Since: Jul, 2011
#7: Aug 3rd 2011 at 9:57:12 PM

Next you'll be questioning why western animated characters have only four fingers.

I'm also an anime blogger.
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#8: Aug 3rd 2011 at 10:03:31 PM

A quick glance through Japan's current stock of male eyecandy brings up the more feminine sort at the moment.

ahem, America is currently infatuated with Justin Bieber so far....

....for some reason, no other names can come to mind....David Bowie('s crotch)?

edited 3rd Aug '11 10:04:36 PM by Signed

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Sparkysharps Since: Jan, 2001
#9: Aug 3rd 2011 at 10:53:31 PM

[up] Cillian Murphy... Well, I'm infatuated with Cillian Murphy anyways.

But yeah, it's not quite the same sort of concentration. I mean, google "visual kei" (extreme example, I know) and see how long you can play "Guy or Girl?"

edited 3rd Aug '11 10:53:53 PM by Sparkysharps

CommanderObvious intellectual rapist from Unmei no Itaru Basho Since: Jul, 2011
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#10: Aug 3rd 2011 at 10:57:39 PM

Monster isnt affected by puni plush i remember

This level of trolling is reasonable for Commander Obvious. What do you think of this, everyone?
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#11: Aug 3rd 2011 at 10:57:57 PM

hmmmm....I can see why girls dig them-bangs head on the wall I LIKE CHICKS DAMMNIT! CHICKS! VAGINAS! DOUBLE X-CHROMOSOMES!

But even with Visual Kei, it's still very obvious that they're guys. Really pretty guys...but still obviously guys. If you want to see someone hot and gender ambiguous at the same time, look no further than this Link cosplayer.

She's genuinely hard to identify at first, unlike Visual Kei where you can tell are guys almost immediately.


On a side note, damn, I didn't know it was possible to pull off wearing lots of belts in Real Life.

edited 3rd Aug '11 11:02:57 PM by Signed

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TweedlyDee BWAAAH! from Kansas Since: Apr, 2010
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#12: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:27:56 PM

Cillian Murphy and David Bowie still have reasonably visible jaws and noses. I don't see what the hell is so ugly about a man who looks like a man and not an underendowed girl.

edited 3rd Aug '11 11:29:34 PM by TweedlyDee

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#13: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:33:15 PM

Here's a tip: Male anime characters aren't drawn for the appreciation of other males.

Also comparing anime characters to real people is rigoddamndiculous.

TweedlyDee BWAAAH! from Kansas Since: Apr, 2010
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#14: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:37:01 PM

[up] But calling masculine characters ugly simply for not having teardrop-shaped heads and skijump noses twists my brain to an extreme degree. It's just that it's beginning to seem a little hackneyed to do the traditional Giant eyes+tiny nose-chin.

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#15: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:45:50 PM

Different definitions of masculinity. Enormous jaws and brown colored eyes do not make a man...especially in ANIMATON.

Taking video games as an example, MANY people call Riku girly. Yet, how many people who call him girly do you think can even get those kinds of biceps and abs?

Sure they're not The Incredible Hulk level of muscles, but...that would be unnattractive...and trying way too hard.

edited 3rd Aug '11 11:49:25 PM by Signed

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#16: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:49:38 PM

[up][up]

Protip: Artstyles differ. Get over it.

TweedlyDee BWAAAH! from Kansas Since: Apr, 2010
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#17: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:58:07 PM

You're putting the words in my mouth that I'm expecting Rob Liefeld. And it bugs me that an entire medium uses pretty much the exact same style with little variation. Art styles may differ, but that's no reason to spare it from criticism.

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#18: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:00:12 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#19: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:05:19 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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#20: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:08:15 AM

Are you only looking at shojo/shounen oriented stuff? I also dislike the "boobless lady" look in general but I haven't encountered this problem in a while.

Schitzo HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE from Akumajou Dracula Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: LA Woman, you're my woman
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#21: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:59:45 AM

Again, look at the more seineny stuff. Its true that it isn't all as rare as I've probably made it up to be.

edited 4th Aug '11 12:59:53 AM by Schitzo

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Anarchy just a medicine seller from Perak, Malaysia Since: Jun, 2010
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#22: Aug 4th 2011 at 2:30:21 AM

^No no no no no, skip the seinen and go straight to Bara. Nothing but absolute masculinity guaranteed!

edited 4th Aug '11 2:32:07 AM by Anarchy

Anarchy just a medicine seller from Perak, Malaysia Since: Jun, 2010
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#25: Aug 4th 2011 at 3:53:14 AM

[up] however many

Hey now the Japanese have jumped on the Bieber craze too. Dynasty Warriors 7 gives us.

Xiahou Bieber. (if ya look at the character pages they are pretty Taste the Rainbow)

edited 4th Aug '11 3:56:59 AM by Raso

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