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Korochun Charming But Irrational from Elsewhere (send help!) Since: Jul, 2011
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#51: Aug 3rd 2011 at 3:03:23 PM

Well, Suzaku was always a tool. I can see what you mean with slice of life; I guess I tolerated it because I felt it lead to an actual character conflict with Lelouch, showing the different facets of his social interactions. In effect, showing the two different sides of him.

Which made it all the more dramatic when he moved on from one of them.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#52: Aug 3rd 2011 at 3:21:44 PM

[up]Suzaku was always a tool, yes, but at least at first he was a principled tool and sincerely thought that with Euphemia they could change the Empire from within. But as soon as she bites it, in Season 2 he seems perfectly fine having thrown Japan under the bus and sitting pretty as a Knight of the Round, with really... no characterization for the rest of the series(He may have gotten a character moment with Lelouch in the episode Rolo dies, but I honestly forget).

I really didn't think the high school shit really showed any characterization ever, tbh. And as for Lelouch himself, I'm sad to say I find him to be somewhere between a Mary Sue and Anti-Sue. I mean sure he's not always right, but the show really expects us to forgive every bad thing he does because in the end he 'dies for the world' in the end. I mean I'm probably in the minority here, especially in a topic like this, but I just found him to be a generic chessmater who could wear an unassuming facade and wangsted about how evil he had to be sometimes for pity.

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Korochun Charming But Irrational from Elsewhere (send help!) Since: Jul, 2011
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#53: Aug 3rd 2011 at 3:27:41 PM

I disagree that the show really expects one to necessarily forgive him in the end. Yeah, he sacrifices his life, but I think the whole point is that it's far more Refuge in Audacity than Mary Sue — although he is most certainly guilty of being a Mary Tzu.

LL is clearly not a hero, but he is enough of a Magnificent Bastard that you pretty much are expected to stand by and go "Well, yeah. He's a douche, but damn."

I don't see anything wrong with that kind of narrative. In fact, that got him through the entire thing pretty well.

'course, I don't necessarily believe he's all that dead.

edited 3rd Aug '11 3:29:58 PM by Korochun

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#54: Aug 3rd 2011 at 3:31:13 PM

[up]Maybe Mary Sue is going too far, but he's not this deep, complex character the fandom makes him out to be. Though there seems to be a lot of Informed Ability in Code Geass, both In-Canon and from the fandom.

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GrandPrincePaulII Imperial knight from Western Eurasia Since: Oct, 2010
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#55: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:30:38 PM

I want the White Reaper to appear in the new story and be the bane of the EU-employed Elevens. evil grin

Lazy and pathetic.
Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#56: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:39:19 PM

[up]Isn't it Britannia's Foreign Legion the Elevens fight for though?

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#57: Aug 3rd 2011 at 8:00:10 PM

Let's see other problems in R2 besides what was brought up above... Random plot twists even from the word go (only getting worse.) 2 minute Montages of what should of been like 5 episodes, Heel–Face Revolving Door, extremely convenient Geass as well as deaths, convoluted ending etc.

R1 was awesome though.

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GrandPrincePaulII Imperial knight from Western Eurasia Since: Oct, 2010
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#58: Aug 3rd 2011 at 8:51:30 PM

[up][up]

You mean, it's a legion of Suzakos?! tongue The White Reaper could still be the bane of these mecha-grunts (shouldn't be Suzako the in-universe term for Quisling?) by constantly overshadowing them. grin

Lazy and pathetic.
Drakyndra Her with the hat from Somewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#59: Aug 3rd 2011 at 9:50:48 PM

To be entirely fair, in R2 Lelouch is repeatedly called on the fact that his genius miracle worker status is utter bullshit. Yeah, Lelouch's brilliance is over-rated, but that's in-universe over-rated. Lelouch is the guy who set things up so that Zero had amazing PR, and then found he was unable to live up to his own reputation.

(The other thing people forget is that until Euphie died Suzaku was popular in Japan. Since Suzaku's status was tied to his loyalty to her, when Lelouch destroyed her reputation, he destroyed Suzaku's too.)

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#60: Aug 3rd 2011 at 9:54:26 PM

Mahou Shoujo Revy-Chan! [up]Well there's an attempt at worldbuilding which intrigued me when I first saw the show, but it pales in comparison to say UC Gundam's. But a different tone could be to its advantage; though I doubt that'd be as down to earth as any of the Gundam side stories.

Just another reason why UC elitists are a crime on the face on earth. Really, they LOVE to overrate their beloved series soooo much.

Ok? Let me explain why this post is stupid: 1. You're comparing a 2-season anime to an entire series that had several series to its name as well as several books, comics, and whatnot.

That is stupid.

That is just beyond stupid. Well of course the UC's going to win. If you compare (I don't know) a single season of any given series to the combined might of all the series under a given title, who do you think is going to win? If you compare a single season of Fire Fly against the combined numbers of all Star Trek series, who would be the "better" world builder? That isn't quite fair, is it? Hell no!

Its far more fair to compare a single UC series to Code Geass. But you don't want that, do you? NOOOOOOOO, it would raise the possibility of somebody pointing out that series' flaws. We can't have that can't we? Whereas if you use all the series under a single banner, you can trample argument through sheer weight of numbers.

Get off your high horse.

Goddammit, I hate all UC fags. Self-important whores. RAAARR!

Korochun Charming But Irrational from Elsewhere (send help!) Since: Jul, 2011
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#61: Aug 3rd 2011 at 10:14:26 PM

I don't know, I don't really see how the two can be compared at all. With the exception of Mobile 8th Team, the entire Gundam series either had characters that 1. Begged for a facestabbing or 2. Weren't worth the effort to facestab.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#62: Aug 3rd 2011 at 10:18:34 PM

[up][up]...Don't frakkin' put words in my mouth. The worldbuilding of UC 0079 alone was far and away more comprehensive and internally congruent than Code Geass's. For example while I appreciated that not all Britannians were evil in Code Geass, I was really surprised how the Zeon were portrayed just as fighting for their own cause too, with genuine grievances. Even an outright villain like Gihren Zabi could rally the people in a way that wasn't simply lolevil, but could make the Zeonic citizens proud for what they were fighting for. Compare his speech with Charles's. As impressive sounding as it is, can you really expect someone to hear that and go "Yeah,that's not lolevil or anything."

[up]Eh, Amuro actually has a pretty good character Arc, and eventually matures into a hardened soldier by Char's Counterattak. Can't speak for guys like Kamille, but the worst protagonist I've seen was Kui from Stardust Memory, since he was a total potted plant.

edited 3rd Aug '11 10:20:22 PM by Scherzo09

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#63: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:10:49 PM

I can't really speak for... UC 0079?

In fact, despite my love for mecha, I've barely watched/read any Gundam. I don't know. It seemed rather poorly paced. A whole bunch of 'emotional' bullshit to wade through between disappointing robot battles...

Anyway, I hope they at least keep the overall feel intact for season 3...

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#64: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:21:47 PM

[up][up][up] I guess I disagree, I wanted facestab about half of CG's cast by the end.

1. Lelouch for the whole Euphianator thing, plus the fact that were supposed to be forgive him because he felt bad about it. Also being a Mary Tzu, the whole HERPDERP HE KNEW EVERYTHING SCHNEIZEL was going to say being the worst part. At least when he did it with Mao it was kind of plausible.

2. Suzaku for losing a lot of his characterization in R2. In season one he's show to be conflicted about betraying his people and want's to improve the rights of the. But in R2 all of that goes away, he just doesn't get any characterization. He's just...there for most of R2 until he makes Lelouch eat dirt and then teams up with him later.

3. Rivalz for being Rivalz. Just a completely useless character, he's only there for (terrable) comic relief. He represent everything that's wrong with the high school stuff in CG.

4. The rest of The Knights of the Round for also being useless. All of them except Anya amount to fuckall and Anya's only impotent because she holds Marianne's dead soul.

5. Nina. She's The Scrappy for a reason, racism, one of the worst voices (at least in English) and the whole Table-Kun thing.

I should note I don't completely hate Code Geass, I just think the show has so much wasted potential. The fact that it seems it has no idea what it want's to be, awkwardly smashing high school antics with campy melodrama and serious war sequences. The show's a tonal mess.

But yeah, on the topic itself. I don't think I gritty, semi realistic MS Team esque approach would work. Mostly due to Code Geass always being a goofy ass show and the designs. CLAMP and "Down To Earth" do not mix.

[up]X4 Also Christ dude, no need to be an asshole about it, quit gettin mad about anime.

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#65: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:29:31 PM

[up][up]This isn't season three, this is a side story. And I don't know if I could put up with another season of CG's normal tone; too tonally incohrent and just grates on me after awhile.

And if you wanna see a superlative Gundam series, don't check out any of 40+ episode series. Watch War in the Pocket and 08th MS Team. They both have tight pacing, pretty strong characterization, and really good mecha fights.

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lilylilium Conspiracy Theorist Since: Apr, 2011
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#66: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:45:27 PM

I disliked the second season of Code Geass, but meh. I hope this one is better. So Lelouch isn't dead?

I've known about it since the beginning. But I just refused to believe it.
Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#67: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:47:36 PM

[up]Yeah, I think Word of God went out of its way to squash rumors that the person driving the cart at the end of R2 was Lelouch.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#68: Aug 3rd 2011 at 11:48:02 PM

Well, its the third season in that its the third set of animated episodes taking place in the CG world. I loved the over-the-topness of the first two seasons. While some bits were a little too much, I thought CG was a really fun series to follow.

The only Gundam I've seen is the one they showed on Toonami. That and like 3 episodes of SEED or something. I might look those up, though. It seems rather wrong to like mecha and not be familiar with Gundam.

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#69: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:11:40 AM

[up]Seed is a pretty generic animu imo. I could barely sit through the first episode. Just... generic and boring. If you're gonna see any Gundam and just want a good, solid experience, 08th MS Team and War In The Pocket are your best bet. They're both short, at only 12 and 6 episodes respectively.

edited 4th Aug '11 12:13:58 AM by Scherzo09

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#70: Aug 4th 2011 at 3:32:54 AM

Meh go Zeta Gundam now that's where it's at. Or Turn A Gundam for a different take on well everything it is very good. Seed was great but not super it takes a bit to get going once it picks up though it's pretty freaken good, Destiny retroactively harmed it though.

Gundam 00 had the same issue as Code Geass but not as extreme... awesome S1 great world building intrigue, political balancing etc. S2 lost a lot of what made it great and unique The badguys became a sort of titans expy but not nearly as interesting.

I loved R1 for really everything life as a hidden rebel trying to keep his life in check in an occupied nation with his own reasons to fight, deal with Suzaku on both sides of the coin, gather people and strikeback when that ended at the start of R2 the series lost a lot of it's charm.

Everything I read on how if they didn't change the time slot and do this and that it would of picked up right after the cliffhanger and continued would of been awesome.

edited 4th Aug '11 3:41:37 AM by Raso

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#71: Aug 4th 2011 at 5:53:30 AM

[up]Well if he wants a show like Code Geass, he Should watch G Gundam and Gundam Wing. I much rather prefer the more grounded tone of UC, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't find the silliness and melodrama of both series somewhat charming.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#72: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:09:46 PM

G Gundam! That's the one I watched!I'm sorry, but I thought that one was awesome. Haven't seen it in years, though. I think I'll let it stay the nostalgic mess that it is rather than checking to see if it was actually awesome.

Anywaaaay, I'm not opposed to a serious anime about mecha, but ultimately the sillier, over-the-top ones tend to stick in my mind way better than the grounded ones, even if the grounded ones are ultimately handled better.

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#73: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:21:33 PM

[up]Ehh I guess its the tonal dissonance of CG that gets to me, being overly silly while having the pretense of being somehow serious. In general though, I'm the opposite; more grounded stories stick with me and leave more of an impression than the over the top silly ones.

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Gregcomic Greg from New York City Since: Jul, 2011
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#74: Aug 4th 2011 at 1:33:07 PM

Awesome, Not sure how it's going to be without Lelouch, but I will definitely give this show a spin.

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#75: Aug 4th 2011 at 2:00:16 PM

Try Turn A Gundam it gets comedy (Gundam vs cow.) as well as hammy bad guys (once the real Big Bad shows up.) never really gets Grimdark, mechs are really unique and the world building was really good.

edited 4th Aug '11 2:05:01 PM by Raso

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