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Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#826: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:44:59 PM

[up]IT's not that it's not doing it for me. It's just that I'm so hopelessly lost on anything.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#827: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:46:12 PM

What's the point of your posting in this thread about how you didn't understand the slightest detail of the movie?

edited 21st Nov '16 7:46:23 PM by Hodor2

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#828: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:50:18 PM

[up]Because hoping to deconfuse and give a more coherent opinion

Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#829: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:51:21 PM

My guess is they sought insight on the movie, but the conversation seems raised more questions then answering them.

[up] it might be easier for you to just wait for it to get to red box and just watch it again to form an opinion since you seem extremely lost in regards to what you watched.

edited 21st Nov '16 7:53:51 PM by Darthwyn

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#830: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:05:24 PM

Maybe check out the page summary, see if any of that rings a bell? There was a lot of visual stuff going on that could be pretty distracting, but I wouldn't say it was a deeply complicated plot overall.

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#831: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:42:54 PM

I swear we've been down this road before in the past, someone who'd seen a film but was simply unable to understand it and was very confused, I think it was even an MCU film. I belvie the conclusion was that there was nothing we could do to help, if one can't pay attention to a film due to knowing that the good guys will win then one can't pay any attention to the film and that's that.

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willyolio Since: Jan, 2001
#832: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:48:19 PM

seriously, Marvel makes relatively simple films. Not knocking on them, the plots are easy to follow and heroes/villains are pretty clearly labelled, shown, and explained. Multiple times to confirm each character's goodness or badness.

My parents barely speak english, I took them to see Dr. Strange, they understood it mostly (I had to explain the time loop thing but that was about it).

I know people have been saying it's an amazing film to watch on drugs but... don't do it the first time you watch it.

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#833: Nov 22nd 2016 at 1:10:48 AM

Saw the film. Felt it took a long while to distinguish itself from other Hero's Journey plots, but there were some bits like the astral surgery and bargaining climax that were pretty inventive. I share the sentiment that the Ancient One's writing was complex enough that the filmmakers shouldn't have panicked at the notion of casting someone Asian in the role.

Incidentally, the theater where I saw it was unusually empty, only about 30 people or so. And nearly all of them were Asian, but that could merely be because of this region. My hometown is pretty diversified, and the Hong Kong set at the end could've passed for the intersection at Del Mar and Valley.

I also find it odd that I've met a surprising amount of people who a decade ago were ranting about how Harry Potter is evil witchcraft and now are so excited for Doctor Strange.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#834: Nov 22nd 2016 at 9:00:40 AM

I swear we've been down this road before in the past, someone who'd seen a film but was simply unable to understand it and was very confused, I think it was even an MCU film. I belvie the conclusion was that there was nothing we could do to help, if one can't pay attention to a film due to knowing that the good guys will win then one can't pay any attention to the film and that's that.

That was Twentington back when Captain America 2 came out. He couldn't change his mind over the 2 years since, so he shouldn't force himself anymore honestly.

edited 22nd Nov '16 9:06:37 AM by VeryMelon

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#835: Nov 22nd 2016 at 12:00:50 PM

I think part of the problem is I'm trying too hard to know everything the second I see it, instead of just sitting on it and letting myself process what I've seen.

The other problem is I go in completely blind, and have no idea what to expect. I'm quite sure I liked it, but fuck me if I could tell you why.

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#836: Nov 22nd 2016 at 12:13:22 PM

[up] I seem to remember you've said things like this before about this genre as a whole

edited 22nd Nov '16 12:16:00 PM by Prowler

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#837: Nov 22nd 2016 at 5:15:03 PM

He's expressed similar sentiments with rock/pop music.

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willyolio Since: Jan, 2001
#838: Nov 22nd 2016 at 10:25:16 PM

[up][up][up] Serious question here, don't bother answering if you feel it's too personal. But do you have ADHD/ADD?

Because things like the inability to maintain focus for a long time, being overly focused on what is happening right this second instead of having a longer outlook... are kinda symptoms of that. Might want to talk to a doctor.

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#839: Nov 23rd 2016 at 1:08:00 AM

[up][up][up][up] I'd suggest doing research beforehand, personally - it might help your understanding quite a bit.

edited 23rd Nov '16 1:08:17 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#840: Nov 23rd 2016 at 2:40:57 AM

[up] The Marvel movies are set up that you don't really need to know the comic books to understand them. Doctor Strange is even suitable for an absolute newbie.

Psychobabble6 from the spark of Westeros Since: May, 2011
#841: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:36:16 PM

Just saw it. Loved it! One of my favorite Marvel ventures, right up there with Guardians. The bargain/time loop thing was fantastic, the visuals and fight scenes were stunning. Marvel has had a problem with an over-abuse of witty banter during fights (which I get has always been a signature move for them) and I really appreciated the lack of that in this movie.

Just all around really entertaining.

The tag with Mordo was chilling, and I like the set up of him as a villain who isn't just a disposable, run-of-the-mill evildoer, but someone relatable who we were led to like.

And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#842: Nov 24th 2016 at 6:12:25 AM

I watched it. Loved the film. Feels really like Marvel evolving and addressing its major complaints:

Complaint 1: Forgettable villains - They take their lessons from Thor and build into the movie the story of the Face–Heel Turn of a Tragic Villain. Kaellicius and Dormammu are also very memorable for what they are.

Complaint 2: Forgettable soundtrack - Taking a cue from Guardians of the Galaxy they add the trippiest tunes possible to the soundtrack.

Complaint 3: Forgettable visuals - Have you seen the magic in this film

Complaint 4: Excessive quips - The movie dials down the quips quite a bit, compared to Ant-Man for example.

It's probably Marvel's strongest origin film since the first Iron Man. In terms of plot, it's by-the-numbers (the redemption of an arrogant man of science through faith) but it suceeds in it all and manages to do a lot with what it has (like Mordo's arc of disillusionement, the Ancient One's slow mental collapse, Strange's own arc) and avoids most of the pitfalls such a story could have (like Strange becoming a Instant Expert: Throughout the entire film its clear Strange is nowhere near the level of skill or raw power of the other characters, he survives every battle by the skin of his teeth, usually relying on delaying tactics and pure luck).

Complaints: The Ancient Elephant in the room as you all know. And I'd add a complaint about THE DREAD LORD DORMAMMU'. Found him too easily beatable and kind of a Generic Doomsday Villain compared to his comic self. Comics!Dormammu if faced with Strange's time loop trick might have been outplayed, but his reaction would be less "NOOOO PLEAAASE STOP THIS" and more of a "WELL-DONE, MORTAL, YOU HAVE YOUR BARGAIN. WELL-DONE INDEED. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR PLANET...FOR NOW. FOR NONE ESCAPES THE DREAD LORD DORMAMMU". Felt his comics personality would have greatly improved his character, but maybe it's just me.

Also, am I the only one who gets the sense, given what the director told us about A Form You Are Comfortable With, that in the sequel, Dormammu will be played by Mads Miekkelsen? The movie does end with him being absorbed in the dark dimension. And since Dormammu doesn't have a fixed form or vessel...

edited 24th Nov '16 6:13:11 AM by Gaon

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#843: Nov 24th 2016 at 6:23:26 AM

I have to admit something: I can't for my life remember the soundtrack of Doctor Strange. It was certainly a good one, because I didn't notice the music in a negative way, but I really can't remember it.

Personally I think The First Avenger is the best origin movie, period (yes, better than Ironman). It is a criminally underrated entry in the MCU. Visually it is the most interesting outside of crazy special effects due to the sepia tone, the acting is top notch to the tiniest role, I love the supporting cast, the love story actually works (and is the best we had in the MCU so for to this day), the soundtrack is memorable and I still think that Menken deserved at least an academy award nomination for "Star Spangled man", it has the most tragic ending the MCU was ready to deliver so far, and it serves as a great commentary on war propaganda on top of all this. My only complain about it is that I think it should have been two movies, one about Steve becoming captain America and one which shows him going on mission with his team until he defeats the red scull.

This is the main reason why I prefer The First Avenger over Ironman...the third act of The First Avenger is a little bit rushed, but that is still better than randomly tacked on like the one in Ironman.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#844: Nov 24th 2016 at 6:31:36 AM

The First Avenger is pretty close to Iron Man, I'd agree, but I'd rank Iron Man slightly higher for its sheer cultural importance of basically single-singlehandedly kickstarting the current superhero boom.

On the soundtrack, what do you mean you don't remember this

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#845: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:54:17 AM

[up] I truly don't....I am sorry, I have nothing against the music and it is certainly not generic at all, it just didn't stick with me at all. I am listening to it now, I will have it forgotten again in five minutes, an I am not even sure I would recognize it again. It's a little bit ironic, since I tend to be a defender of the Marvel Soundtracks, especially when if comes to the Cap-movies, but apparently the one soundtrack which is praised doesn't do anything for me....

I have three lists of the movies, how well they work as stand alone, how they figure into the MCU and how important they were....Ironman is certainly along with The Avengers the most important one, it is practically Snow White and Toy Story, but if I look just at the movies itself, I think The First Avenger has slightly more to offer. It is close, but I give it the edge for the mentioned reason.

In addition, after years of movies with troubled heroes and man-child protagonists on TV, Cap being such a heroic character felt like a breath of fresh air.

edited 24th Nov '16 9:55:13 AM by Swanpride

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#846: Nov 24th 2016 at 1:55:05 PM

[up][up] That entire piece is Giacchino mostly recycling Enterprising Young Men

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#847: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:15:31 PM

Yeah, midway through I realized I wasn't remembering any of the music, unlike Ant-Man or even Civil War.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#848: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:49:59 PM

Okay... that song is so good that I'm disappointed in myself for not remembering it. I think my mind has been so trained to expect superhero credits themes to be the same as all the other ones that I ignore them by default. For shame, Known.

Usually the things I look out for in a film's score itself are leitmotifs, and I definitely caught Strange's. The version in the credits theme is way better than the ones in the film proper. Marvel should really look into scoring their films with different kinds of instruments for a starkly different sound every once in a while.

edited 24th Nov '16 2:51:35 PM by KnownUnknown

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#849: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:18:20 PM

I think it's less that the movie's music isn't good and more than it isn't quite memorable enough — there hasn't been a big iconic theme, like the Halloween theme, so far.

edited 25th Nov '16 5:39:04 AM by alliterator

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#850: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:53:27 PM

I think part of that is that focus on distinctive and powerful themes in scores is getting more out of style these days, especially in action movies. There's a lot of hitting the same notes and tones, more and more scores are treated as strictly background rather than intending to stand out on their own.

Even Rogue One, an installment in a series famous for distinctive scores and leitmotifs, has a much more standard action movie soundtrack - at least from what's been released so far.

edited 24th Nov '16 8:53:39 PM by KnownUnknown


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