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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#1: Jul 30th 2011 at 8:36:06 PM

I like to write music on my piano, however my fingers apparently know much more about music theory than I do because they write music that I don't understand theory-wise. Unfortunately, they can't speak, so I can't ask them.

I'm sorry I can't provide an audio sample, but here it goes:

So in one measure of my song, the bass dyad is A-flat fifth, and the treble dyad sequence is is B-flat fourth, B-flat diminished fourth, and then just the B-flat note. (It's in three-time.)

I know what the dyads are on their own, but what are the base and treble dyads considered together?

edited 30th Jul '11 8:36:43 PM by annebeeche

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#2: Jul 31st 2011 at 2:38:27 AM

Maybe it's called a Double Kill....

*slapped in the face*

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#3: Jul 31st 2011 at 5:21:11 AM

Bahahahaha

I lol'd :B

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TankerMan Since: Jul, 2011
#4: Jul 31st 2011 at 7:54:38 AM

"Dyad" sounds like some exotic hot sauce from some ancient Asian civilization...

So this just looks like a no-frills Bb major chord with a descending bass. On top, you go from Eb to D ("diminished fourth"??) to Bb. The Eb to D (4th to 3rd) acts like a suspension, so it all goes to Bb major.

The Ab power chord in the bass only suggests some motion while still staying in Bb major. The Beatles tune "Hello Goodbye" has that in the chorus. What could come before that Ab is a Bb power chord, so it's a descending thing. Bb, Ab, and so on.

Solstace Hexachordal Combinatorial from the Second Viennese School Since: Dec, 1969
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#5: Jul 31st 2011 at 6:47:06 PM

Yeah, without being able to see more of the piece, I think Tanker Man's analysis is pretty spot on.

I'm going to assume that the piece is, overall, in Eb major? Or at least that particular area of the piece?

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#6: Jul 31st 2011 at 7:58:42 PM

Every segment of the song starts in what appears to be C minor.

EDIT: after further examination, I have determined that the key of the song is C minor, however, there is an accidental where B-flat becomes B (creating a g major)

edited 31st Jul '11 8:04:38 PM by annebeeche

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Solstace Hexachordal Combinatorial from the Second Viennese School Since: Dec, 1969
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#7: Aug 1st 2011 at 2:07:41 AM

Well, C natural minor contains all the notes of Eb major, so it works. Does the B-natural then move up to C? Because that would would be pretty common, as B-natural is the leading tone to C.

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#8: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:35:18 AM

[up] Actually, the C note moves down into G major.

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Solstace Hexachordal Combinatorial from the Second Viennese School Since: Dec, 1969
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#9: Aug 1st 2011 at 1:17:15 PM

Well, I wish I could be a bit more help, but without having sheet music or a recording, there's only so much I can do. So, it's a C chord moving down into G major? I understood that correctly, right?

edited 1st Aug '11 1:18:35 PM by Solstace

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#10: Aug 1st 2011 at 7:35:48 PM

A C note moving into G major. That is the end of the segment. Each segment starts with a C minor chord.

I wish I could record it, but I don't have the materials to do so.

edited 1st Aug '11 7:36:22 PM by annebeeche

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Solstace Hexachordal Combinatorial from the Second Viennese School Since: Dec, 1969
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#11: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:04:20 PM

Well, the G Major chord makes sense, at least.

You obviously know how to build chords to fit the scale. Chords built off with the fifth of the scale as the root in major keys contain the 5th, the 7th, and the 9th*

. The 7th, in major, is a leading tone. It's a half-step below the tonic, and the ears naturally want it to resolve back to the tonic chord.

In minor, you run into a bit of a conundrum, as the 7th in minor isn't a leading tone, it's a whole step away. As a result the chord built with the fifth of the minor scale as its root is a minor chord, and doesn't quite have the same urge to resolve. It's common to raise the 7th in a minor scale, creating a harmonic minor scale, to provide that leading tone desired for proper resolution. Any more, it's also pretty common to just stick to the natural minor, but raise the 7th when needed.

As far as chord progressions go, if the last two chords of a phrase(probably what you're calling a sequence) are a chord built off the fifth leading to a chord built of the tonic, it's called an authentic cadence, and generally the phrase sounds relatively complete.

If the last two chords of a phrase are any chord leading to a chord built on the fifth, it's called a half cadence, and the sound tends to linger, and doesn't sound finished.

From here, I can go more in depth about cadences and period construction, but I think this is probably enough for now, and the conversation seems to have deviated from your original question.

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#12: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:08:24 PM

I don't mind at all, I'm learning a lot from this.

Maybe tomorrow I will try to record my song, but that will involve disassembling my desktop computer and moving it down next to the piano downstairs.

edited 1st Aug '11 8:08:43 PM by annebeeche

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#13: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:09:32 PM

Oh, I know what that's like. It's easier to record with my guitar than with my piano, as my piano isn't as easily moveable as my guitar setup, and the USB cable only reaches so far.

edited 1st Aug '11 8:10:21 PM by Solstace

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#14: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:16:00 PM

A year ago I actually had a laptop computer, which means I was able to produce this recording:

It's very different from the song I'm talking about though, which sounds more "tragic" to me.

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#15: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:17:55 PM

Yeah, that was the one you posted in the Phrygian Mode thread, wasn't it?

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#16: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:22:36 PM

Yeah, it was.

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#17: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:23:52 PM

I was using the name Soraya then >.>

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BoundByTheMoon Kvltvre Vvltvre from The Spanish Sahara Since: Jun, 2010
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#18: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:58:24 PM

Do you have any program that can do MIDI sequencing? Even something like TuxGuitar would work.

Actually, check that one out- it's free, and even though it's made for guitar tabs, you can use it to write on a staff, and it has a MIDI export option.

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AsTheAnointed Since: Jan, 2010
#19: Aug 2nd 2011 at 9:57:31 AM

[up][up]So you WERE Soraya! I thought the guitaring and the Vai avatar and the AAL references were suspicious...

annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#20: Aug 2nd 2011 at 12:11:24 PM

I RECORDED THE SONG.

Henry VI.

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TankerMan Since: Jul, 2011
#21: Aug 2nd 2011 at 12:19:36 PM

C minor with the major V (G major) every now and again

if you want to be a cool guy on the internet, you can say "C aeolian"

annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#22: Aug 2nd 2011 at 12:25:15 PM

C ALIEN.

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#23: Aug 2nd 2011 at 1:18:35 PM

No, I don't. Where is it???

annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#24: Aug 2nd 2011 at 2:21:02 PM

I made another music

Alternate link because my browser is being stupid

edited 2nd Aug '11 2:21:33 PM by annebeeche

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#25: Aug 2nd 2011 at 2:49:31 PM

Wyrmhunt., another little invention of mine.

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