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jayday12345678910 Since: Nov, 2010
#1: Jul 28th 2011 at 4:55:51 PM

This question as been bugging me all day. Why do anime recreate the manga? Why dont they just use the characters and create original stories for non filler purposes? Animes even pan out chapters and create loads of filler just so they can adapt the manga.

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Signed Always Right Since: Dec, 2009
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#2: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:07:28 PM

Because it's an adaptation. Also, most fans(and even creators of the originals) are ticked off if an adaptation isn't faithful to the original.

This applies to stuff beyond manga, like TheWitches(where even Roald Dahl hated it for not being faithful, so much he stood outside theatres to tell people not to watch it).

And alienating an existing fanbase is a bad thing in general.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:09:43 PM by Signed

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#3: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:10:03 PM

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What kind of silly question is that?

Anime can be adaptions, either of Manga, Light Novels or Video Games, or they can be original works. But why take the characters of an existing work and use them for something completely unrelated? Its almost never turned out well. If you want an original anime, watch original anime!

Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:10:46 PM

Because anime/manga fans are impervious to the concept of alternative continuities.

Seriously, though, I don't know. It probably has something to do with how the manga industry works, as opposed to american comicbooks, and the fact that many adaptations are made specifically to promote the manga.

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#5: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:16:56 PM

First, most anime aren't actually super-faithful. There's going to be at least a fair amount of scene reordering in even the more faithful series, and a number of anime create new plots so that they can have an ending

Second, the type of adaptaion you're talking about is largely exclusive to superhero comics, western cartoons, and other things that don't have plots. Manga generally do

edited 28th Jul '11 5:17:53 PM by Hylarn

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#6: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:19:48 PM

Second, the type of adaptaion you're talking about is largely exclusive to superhero comics, western cartoons, and other things that don't have plots. Manga generally do

Errr, I am pretty sure Superhero Comics and Western Cartoons do have plots.

jayday12345678910 Since: Nov, 2010
#7: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:19:49 PM

[up][up][up][up]Because anime takes it verbatim most of the time. And why not? They have done it in the past. Would you prefer a copy and paste from the manga or a original story?

edited 28th Jul '11 5:20:10 PM by jayday12345678910

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#8: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:28:30 PM

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They do, but western superhero comics do not lend themselves to direct adaption the same way as manga.

Like, you can say "oh, we're going to make an anime of Fairy Tail", and anyone who's familiar with the manga will have a good idea of what it will be like.

But if you say "oh, we're going to make a cartoon of Batman", it could end up being almost anything.

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#9: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:30:08 PM

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Why can't I have both?

I generally don't read manga, so most of these stories I will only experience if they make an anime adaption.

On the other hand, some of my all time favorite anime (Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, Sora No Woto, just to name a few) are original works.

But I see no reason to take characters from an existing property, and completely ignore the story created for those characters.

Edit: To be fair, thats sorta what Nanoha is, admittedly.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:30:32 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna

jayday12345678910 Since: Nov, 2010
#10: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:32:49 PM

[up]But to waist time and money to poorly animate a existing property is redundant. Why not cut down on adaptions and focus on making your existing properties better? Also when they do the reverse the manga makes a new story for the anime. Why should only one of them be limited to that?

edited 28th Jul '11 5:34:20 PM by jayday12345678910

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Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:35:38 PM

But I see no reason to take characters from an existing property, and completely ignore the story created for those characters.
To explore unused aspects of the core concept? to examine the characters in different situations? To have a different take on the premise? There are plenty of reasons.

Signed Always Right Since: Dec, 2009
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#12: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:35:53 PM

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about now, but...the quality of animation does not depend on whether it's an adaptation or not...

Suffice to say, NOT being faithful to the source is a complete waste. If you want to come up with an original non-filler story, why not just create new characters rather than taking existing characters and putting them out of context?

The anime doesn't have to be 100% similar to the manga, they could always use their extra time to expand on certain elements of it, but that's as far as it can go assuming it has materials to work with and hasn't overtaken the manga yet.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:39:42 PM by Signed

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#13: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:40:20 PM

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I think you are very, very uninformed about how this industry works and why anime gets made.

Also you haven't addressed my point that not everyone reads manga. Or hell, what about anime adapted from Light Novels? Very few Light Novels ever get translated. Would you prefer to not have a Haruhi Suzumiya anime? Or Toradora? Or Bakemonogatari? And what about anime adapted from Visual Novels, such as Kanon, Clannad or ef?

Your view of this is very, very narrow. And you have yet to provide a reason for why existing characters should be used for original plots, instead of new characters?

Hell, the fact that Nanoha uses a few characters from Triangle Hearts 3 is rather irrelevant, and in fact is at this point nearly trivia.

jayday12345678910 Since: Nov, 2010
#14: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:41:30 PM

[up][up]I was saying that if they spent less money on making a adaptation and used the money to make their poor animation better it could possibly push the medium slightly forward.

[up]I WOULD prefer them to make a completely original property but if they wanted to use a already existing one why make a direct adaption.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:43:42 PM by jayday12345678910

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CommanderObvious intellectual rapist from Unmei no Itaru Basho Since: Jul, 2011
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#15: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:41:40 PM

Sora no Woto is not an original work
it was based on a manga

This level of trolling is reasonable for Commander Obvious. What do you think of this, everyone?
SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#16: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:42:10 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#17: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:42:51 PM

Seriously, though, I don't know. It probably has something to do with how the manga industry works, as opposed to american comicbooks, and the fact that many adaptations are made specifically to promote the manga.

That's backwards in a couple of respects:

First, it has to do with how the anime industry works, not the manga one. They're used to making straight-forward adaptations, so there'll be inherent resistance against doing something else

Second, very, very little is made to promote manga. The rights stay with the authors, who don't have the kind of money to fund something like that. It's superhero adaptations that are made to promote the comics. Marvel and DC can afford to do that kind of thing

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#18: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:43:43 PM

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No, it was not. All three Anime No Chikara shows (Sora No Woto, Senkou No Night Raid and Occult Gakuin) were anime originals. That was the entire point of the Anime no Chikara block. Sora No Woto also has a manga, but it was not based on that manga. The manga was produced in conjunction with the anime. Just like, say, the Madoka Magica manga.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:44:02 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna

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#19: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:43:47 PM

I'm not sure why you think making adaptions of works is redundant. If anything, trying to tack somebody else's name onto the adaption of an original work is bigger bullshit, since they won't even bother to market under their own ideas.

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#20: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:44:52 PM

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No, you are incorrect. Anime very frequently boosts the sales of manga/novels, and even if the anime underpeforms, if it boosts the source sales enough, it can prompt more anime to be made, even when it seems the disc sales would not justify doing so.

CommanderObvious intellectual rapist from Unmei no Itaru Basho Since: Jul, 2011
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#21: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:45:13 PM

[up][up][up]ah thanks for clearing that up

edited 28th Jul '11 5:45:25 PM by CommanderObvious

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#22: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:46:40 PM

I was saying that if they spent less money on making a adaptation and used the money to make their poor animation better it could possibly push the medium slightly forward.

Assuming I understand what you just said...making original anime costs money too you know. And while you don't have to worry about the legal stuff involved with adaptation, you do have to worry about the fact that there's a slightly higher risk with original anime.

In the end it kinda balances out. I like both.

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#23: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:47:25 PM

^^^It boosts sales, but that's not the point of making the anime. They're not getting paid for doing that. Most of the time

edited 28th Jul '11 5:49:23 PM by Hylarn

SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#24: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:47:59 PM

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Right, the Anime no Chikara block was, unfortunately, a failure, but then a year later, Madoka Magica comes along and is now the second best selling anime of the last decade.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:48:11 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna

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#25: Jul 28th 2011 at 5:49:17 PM

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You are aware that very frequently the publisher of the manga in question is going to be on the production committee for the anime, right? And thus will get a cut of the profits, and a say in how the anime is produced. Boosting sales of the original work is, very much, an objective of an anime production.


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