No, I did not. Now I did, and added the TRS to my watchlist.
Back to topic.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I'll move Kuudere to TRS section. If Love Freak is falling out of favor elsewhere (I doubt it was invented by Japan, it sounds like one of those ancient tropes), do we want to put it in an "adopted tropes" section?
Also: Sandbox.Stock Japanese Characters.
edited 6th Sep '11 6:23:35 AM by Deboss
Fight smart, not fair.An Adopted trope section sounds like a wonderful idea. Love Freak, Phantom Thief, Great Detective, Idol Singer, Kentucky Fried Chicken and Kit Kat should probably go in there.
edited 6th Sep '11 8:33:05 AM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!Phantom Thief and Great Detective are still hugely common in Western media. They wouldn't fit the idea of tropes that have fallen out of favour elsewhere.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickNot exactly everything is gimic based now, not fitting the two tropes however they have been imported wholesale but meh.
And not a single word about Kit Kat
and KFC
... bah my attempts at humor fell on deaf ears ><. Wasabi or Aloe Vera Kit Kat anyone
?
edited 6th Sep '11 8:44:14 AM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!What will we do with the tropes in the adopted trope section? Keep it? Remove it? Make a new index? Will it be a index of tropes fallen out of favor in western works an now mostly used in Japan, or would it work the other way around too...
Back to topic: Something about Love Freak dosen't feel right to me. I guess the problem is, that the name indicates a character who is overly focused on (romantic) love, the description reads like the character is a kind of parody and the viewer is not supposed to take the character serious and at least some of the examples are (as far as I know) no parodies (Sailor Moon, Care Bears, Yu-Gi-Oh, Wedding Peach, Princess Tutu) and the viewer is supposed to agree on the love talk.
I'd also suggest tropes that originated outside of Japan and have become extremely prominent over there.
Does Love Freak need a TRS?
Fight smart, not fair.
I would argue against that because I can see people just shoving anything in there even if it is just a general media trope. That's why I'm kind of leery of the idea in the first place. There's a tendency not present in other media to label general tropes as anime tropes. This is a bad thing and retards trope growth.
The TRS thread for Cat Girl doesn't seems to have been forgotten, so I'm asking for some help here:
Please go through the examples listed on the page and remove things that do not match the current, updated and corrected definition. Instead put non-examples in a more appropriate trope. For example, please put werecats that have a cat form or Petting-Zoo People form but do not have a Little Bit Beastly form in Our Werebeasts Are Different. Please put furry cat alien races that do not resemble Little Bit Beastly in my Cat Folk YKTTW proposal
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If there are any Little Bit Beastly examples that do fit the Cat Girl description but also fit the Were Cat or Cat Folk tropes, please leave them in Cat Girl but paste a copy whichever other trope they fit.
edited 6th Sep '11 9:36:04 PM by Auxdarastrix
Little Bit Beastly is the trope you're looking for. At least I think that's what that word means. The random Japanese is just going to confuse more people than clarify.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickMuch better. Clarity is what we're striving for here after all. That version looks good. Now, back on topic.
I think Love Freak might need a TRS.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickI am against adding this to Stock Japanese Characters, as it would go against the consensus decision reached in the TRS thread to remove tropes based on the criteria listed on Sandbox.Stock Japanese Characters.
It was suggested earlier in the thread to do something similar on UsefulNotes.Japan, or to create a Useful Notes page about adopted Japanese media tropes in general, neither of which I would be against. Just not on Stock Japanese Characters.
Visit my contributor page to assist with the "I Like The Cheeses" project!Fair enough. So, Love Freak TRS: Y/N?
Also, thank you to which ever mod did the thing I asked for and linked the page. However, it needs to be the Sandbox version.
Anyway, we can do whatever needs to be done with Love Freak.
Next up Magical Girl.
Fight smart, not fair.Magical Girl originated in America, but it is primarily associated with Japan.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickWell I really think we need a separate section for Idol Singer... That one really should stay on the page.
Vote keep for Love Freak and I don't see a reason for a TRS.... Why?
Vote keep Magical Girl on the page, might want to TRS it and split off the Magical Girl Genre from the character type though IE Sailor Moon, 7 Pretty Cure series (which I am watching everything I can now after Heartcatch Precure got me addicted.) Nanoha, Madoka Magica etc. ( Magical Girl Warrior, Dark Magical Girl Sixth Ranger etc are character types in Magical Girl Series.)
The character type can appear in non-Magical Girl Series such a Negima, Pani Poni Dash, etc.
edited 7th Sep '11 8:18:38 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
Good point. The character really does need to be split from the genre on Magical Girl.
The Love Freak TRS is just to determine if it can be played straight or if it needs to be a parody character. By the current on page definition of Love Freak, Sailor Moon doesn't count.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickSailor Moon wasn't really the preachy "everyone peace, friendship and love" type, she was the romantic. Plenty of other Magical Girl series that pretty much run on The Power of Friendship and The Power of Love do though. (Although it mostly appears in literal Powered by Friendship shows or romance not allowed but we can act like it is type shows.)
edited 7th Sep '11 8:39:32 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!Wait, Magical Girl originated in America? Seriously?
Either way, I still say stay because of the "Surprising to see outside of anime" clause. Other than webcomics, I don't think I've ever seen a non-anime M-Girl.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Sort of, the basic idea was taken from Bewitched but was changed so much that they are pretty much only related in the "magic but in the real world" idea.
Bewitched is closer to Magical Girlfriend than Magical Girl (not quite the same there too though.) Thats another Genre as a character trope... That is an actual genre in anime.
edited 7th Sep '11 8:50:12 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!The passage in question:
In other words, Magical Girl was inspired by an American work, though it still originated in Japan. You would notice that every work listed under "Magical Girl Works" is either Japanese, web-original fan work (which most probably comes from anime/manga fans), or Animesque.
Well, technically the Magical Girl Genre is by definition centered on a specific kind of protagonist(s), who are the eponymous Magical Girls. You can't have a Magical Girl Genre without at least one Magical Girl (who would naturally be the main character).
edited 7th Sep '11 11:23:46 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I have one big problem with this trope: The only part really discribing what this trope is about is: Magical Girls are empowered by various means with fantastic powers that both assist and complicate their lives, but manage to persevere despite this.
Then we learn a bit about demographics and history, nice but not really necessary.
And the last sentence is: A girl who can use magic is not necessarily a Magical Girl in the sense of the trope or genre...
So what is a magical girl? She has some fantastic powers but where are the limits to simply girls using magic?

@Raso: If you're referring to Fast Eddie's post, I believe he was referring to the name rather than the trope.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.