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Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#101: May 29th 2012 at 7:54:47 AM

Okay, how do you use the new trinkets? Do they have ambient effects or something?

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Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#102: May 29th 2012 at 8:10:56 AM

The trinkets are a new kind of passive but some have only graphical effects (goat hoof = bigger tears some times but always same damage) to some that are OP (gives you a random mushroom effect every room).

The new final boss fight makes me feel sad for Isaac and the new ending I do not understand it completly.

edited 29th May '12 8:15:11 AM by Joaqs

Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#103: May 29th 2012 at 8:17:13 AM

The new final boss fight is just weird.

So, what's with the bloody room with spikes in it?

edited 29th May '12 8:18:10 AM by Thnikkafan

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Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#104: May 29th 2012 at 9:16:52 AM

Well you take damage and a chest appears, it can take 1 or more hearts of damage.

An easy rule is never go to that room or the curse room (the one with spikes ata the door) with a 1 heart or less of life because you will almost surely die unless you can fly in which case you just take half a heart of damage when leaving the curse room.

Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#105: May 29th 2012 at 9:51:18 AM

Hm. This whole new "health for rewards" thing really brings Judas and ??? down, while raising Maggie's worth.

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Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#106: May 29th 2012 at 10:16:24 AM

Yeah and Samason is quite afected by it. Samson is a strange character, his range and tears are low and his attack I think is a little less than Isaac but is good in rooms with multiple enemies due to his starting item. The complain I have is figth against peep or monstro or any boss that do not spawns enemies take a lot with his base damage but the ones with enemies like the duke of flies goes really fast.

Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#107: May 29th 2012 at 11:14:24 AM

Hm. Technology 2 + Dead Dove + Ipecac = Blowing yourself up a lot. Ow.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#108: May 29th 2012 at 11:23:49 AM

So do you guys want to hear my analysis on endings? I think I got very understandable explanation tongue Haven't got them all, but spoiled new one.

Well, ok, Binding of Isaac wiki has same conclusion, but I can provide more evidence/WMG for it.

edited 29th May '12 11:36:04 AM by SpookyMask

Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#109: May 29th 2012 at 11:45:16 AM

Sure just make sure to put it in spoilers tags so anyone who did not get all the endings don't get spoiled.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#110: May 29th 2012 at 12:15:24 PM

Well, whole post will be spoiler to everyone who hasn't played game at all, so I'll only put spoiler tags(well, except for few specific spoilers) on part that details DLC.

But yeah this is theory in its basics. In short Isaac in the end decided to hide in chest, that chest which we get ending items from.

Ok, so everyone have to remember one thing about the game. The fact that most things in the game are drawn on paper by Isaac. So most of the game is imagination by Isaac. Even parts that aren't that aren't on paper, like mom opening door in first ending.

First ending has Isaac draw himself happy ending, but since its not real it doesn't solve any problem. So mom is still trying to open door and Isaac gets struck out of his happy imagining by fear of her actually opening door.(which doesn't happen yet at least)

Endings in which Isaac pulls out stuff from chest are varied. In first one hes still pretty happy since he imagined new character to 'solve' is problems, but rest of them vary like hanging one is because Isaac basically wants to die at that point and money glass thing and Dr. Fetus are for boredom, wafer and quarter are something he really found in the chest and nail turning him into demon is foreshadowing. Anyway, most important part of them is mom's hand dragging Isaac to chest and Isaac finding ??? in chest. It Lives(aka, Isaac as fetus) replaced Mom's heart because at that point Isaac basically starts to wish he never had born.

So after that desperation point, Isaac starts thinking that in order for him to not die, since beating mom in his imagination doesn't help, he should beat evil itself to clear his sins. Leading to Sheol. So after Isaac has beaten Satan, he discovers that chest he found items from again. But it is empty. Scene shows all of Isaac's characters(excluding ??? and including demon Isaac) opening chest. No matter what character Isaac plays, no matter whether he used power of evil, chest is still empty. So Isaac decided to hide in chest.

??? is different from other playable characters(and reason why he doesn't appear in Sheol ending) as where they are Isaac wearing wigs and clothes and naming himself after Bible characters, ??? is Isaac imagining himself as dead. Between level nightmare shows Isaac suffocating in chest, and DLC adds item "Fate" which is ???'s head.(its blue in similar shade to ???)

DLC Features Isaac imagining himself alternative for trying to defeat Satan. Instead of trying to kill lord of sin, he should try to reach redemption from heaven. Leading to Cathedral. At end of Cathedral Isaac discovers himself, crying. Crying Isaac doesn't really fight back, he just sees light and gains wings and flies to heaven. Isaac sees himself as demon beating part of himself that was free of sin who got into heaven. After that we cut to Isaac reading bible(which is where he got his inspiration for his characters), watching at mirror, seeing himself as demon and finally resigning to his fate to die in the chest. Abused Isaac believes himself truly to be sinner, after all more useful power ups in his imagination are from Satan.

So yeah, in short(again) endings imply that in the end Isaac decided to go into the chest, ??? is him dead. Of course, nothing has happened yet as Isaac can't continue imagining while dead, but it seems that Isaac believes his fate to be dying in the chest.

So yeah, rather sad ending unless new dlc in future change it to happier one or something tongue

Dang, I was rather unclear in my explanation ._. Umm, could anybody else understand what I was talking about?

edited 29th May '12 12:23:12 PM by SpookyMask

Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#111: May 29th 2012 at 1:04:02 PM

I think I understand it but I am interested to know why there is a demonic Isaac because every other character is a variation of Isaac or a boss, so maybe it is a secret character?

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#112: May 29th 2012 at 1:09:38 PM

Well, you can complete the game without getting to Devil Room, so Demon Isaac is just Isaac who had used Devil Room to get powers.

Really, since my theory is about game being imagination of Isaac, I'm pretty sure that Isaac believes his mom about him being full of sin since he imagines getting power from Devil to defeat his mom/Devil himself. Which is why in Wrath of Lamb ending demon Isaac is on mirror

edited 29th May '12 1:10:16 PM by SpookyMask

Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#113: May 29th 2012 at 1:40:14 PM

Posible, maybe that is why the Wrath of the Lamb has a lot of new "holy" items?

Seems like they already patched the Horseman Isaac from tinted rocks.

Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#114: May 29th 2012 at 2:08:19 PM

You know what? I just realized I want to see a game based on the actual Binding of Isaac.

You're Abraham, and you've got to get the kid to the mountain without him catching on:

Isaac: Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?
Abraham: God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.
Isaac's SUSPICION METER has increased by 3.

edited 29th May '12 2:08:29 PM by Jhimmibhob

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#115: May 29th 2012 at 9:05:09 PM

^^Hmm, yeah. New final boss is intentional anti climax boss without any music after all. Plus it doesn't even animation fight really fight back.

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#116: May 29th 2012 at 9:22:36 PM

The Ipecac can die in a fire for all I care.

Pops up way too often for my own good.

But MY GOD SACRED HEART + FURY + LOTS OF ENEMIES = TEARS AN EIGHTH THE SIZE OF THE ROOM

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#117: May 29th 2012 at 10:04:36 PM

Yeah, exploding tears is much less awesome than what it sounds like tongue

Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#118: May 29th 2012 at 10:04:44 PM

[up][up][up]Maybe.

[up][up]Yeah the bloody lust bandana is quite powerfull, I had a run with Samson with three or four damage up efects and after two or three enemies the rest died really fast.

Speaking of Samson I am pretty sure that you unlock something by killing the devil with him but can't tell because the pop up are screwed and don't show upsad

The fetus in a jar is better, I would like to try it with the spacce bar item that lets you explode bombs manually.

edited 29th May '12 10:06:26 PM by Joaqs

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#119: May 29th 2012 at 10:08:43 PM

Even if I'm over reading stuff there is that Isaac between floors nightmare with him suffocating in chest, three endings that imply he went into chest and implications that ??? is dead Isaac. So if nothing else, then at least thats what Edmund is implying

Joaqs Técnico Electromecánico from Argentina Since: Jul, 2009
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#120: May 29th 2012 at 10:21:39 PM

Three endings imply it? The 11 ending directly shows him going into the ches and the 12 ending imply it, which is the third one?

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#121: May 29th 2012 at 10:30:22 PM

The one where mom's hand drags him into it. Ya know "Everything is terrible ending" after which everything apparently become harder.

Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#122: May 30th 2012 at 6:12:44 AM

So, for getting Samson, do you get him if you don't go into two item rooms, period, or if you go in and don't take the contents?

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Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies Since: Jan, 2010
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#123: May 30th 2012 at 6:14:20 AM

I would think not going in them at all. Oh, and you have to kill Mom too.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#124: May 30th 2012 at 6:27:46 AM

According to wiki, you can visit room as long you don't take item in room.

Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#125: May 30th 2012 at 8:21:35 AM

Oh god, Ipecac + 3 dollar bill. Homing explosives? Yay! Explosive shots that fly lazily through the air, circling you, not hitting anything, not knowing when or where they'll hit? That's scary.

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