That does not seem to be the same as tsundere.
Down to 5 million if you include politics/ethnicity, sales, industry (steel manufacturing was big), stocks/economics. I use the first page to catch any results that are not relevant.
And Google is now giving me captcha tests.
edited 14th Jul '11 8:54:13 PM by revolution11
Think Of The Ewoks.....Okay, I think we have determined that Tsundere is used, in the way we define it, off the site. We can stop publishing increasingly specific google results now.
And until someone can prove there is actually some meaningful distinction between Western/Eastern versions of Tsundere, or that we need more subtropes, I think the trope is fine.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.And according to this site
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Yeah, that's out as a redirect. Way too broad, as it includes some of the -deres along with many other tropes.
"Plays Hard To Get"? I've used it to describe Tsundere to my friends and they usually understand.
Or "Playing Hard to Get". Edit: Welp never mind I guess that's already a trope...
edited 14th Jul '11 9:50:48 PM by HeavyDDR
I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
Except most of the stereotypical Tsundere are not "playing" at all. They really are that way.
edited 14th Jul '11 10:03:03 PM by Heatth
Yes. But I believe neither is acting as a tsundere out of the hope the guy will pay attention on thanks to that. Almost the opposite, in fact, they act that way as a defense mechanism to hide their embarrass and/or to hide their love. Which is how a tsundere stereotypically do.
Playing Hard to Get, as I understand, is deliberately turning off a guy who is already interested on her so he will be even more infatuated. One valid "tactic" is act in a way similar to of a Tsundere, but not the only one (playing cold is valid too). And the guy need to already show some interest (or so must the girl believe). It is a completely different concept.
That is true. I was wondering why we had Tsundere and Playing Hard To Get as two different tropes in the first place.
Though, it still seems blurry to me. I don't like many series with a Tsundere character in the first place, so that may be why, but, still. I've seen it used in just so many ways, it seems like whether the protagonist is actually interested in them effects the trope very little.
It seems like Tsundere is just who they actually are - but whether they're like that so the protagonist notices them or not is variable. But Playing Hard To Get is when they know the protagonist is interested in them, and plays this way on purpose to drag out "the chase."
Is that right?
edited 14th Jul '11 10:34:49 PM by HeavyDDR
I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -WanderlustwarriorPretty much, I believe. Tsundere is a personality type, while Playing Hard to Get is an action.
Furthermore, Playing Hard to Get can broader, as it is not limited to what I will cal "tsundere tactic". Acting cold, instead of harsh, is still a valid way of Playing Hard to Get.
Meanwhile, Playing Hard to Get is more specific, as it need a "would be" love relation (a tsundere character actually doesn't need to be in love, though it is very common). Playing Hard to Get also imply a mutual interest (or so the one "playing" believes). Tsunderes, however, are frequently one sided.
To sum up, while they are somewhat similar, they are very different still. There is no much relation between the two tropes. Overlaps are rare, but it is not exactly mutually exclusive either.
The most literal (however still misleading) name for a redirect would be Harsh To Lovestruck.
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!How about Harsh Yet A Softie for tsun-dominant, with Softie Yet Harsh for dere-dominant?
edited 15th Jul '11 1:38:32 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
As a redirect, it is fine, I guess. But wouldn't Harsh Yet Soft sound better?
Agreed. Soft works better than softie.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.... Now that I think about it, what's the difference between Tsundere Type A and Jerk with a Heart of Gold?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.From the description:
"Type A can overlap with a Jerk With a Heart of Gold, but usually not. The moods of a Tsundere tend to switch in reaction to the actions of select people or adverse scenarios; the deredere side usually only comes out when someone has acted in a way to trigger it. A Jerk With a Heart of Gold is jerkish in general regardless of whether the other person is mean or nice, and shows their Hidden Heart Of Gold only when the situation warrants, regardless of how the other person had been acting. Male characters in particular should be considered for Jerk With a Heart of Gold status, as arguably because of Double Standards, men are generally that instead of tsundere, although the kuudere subtype is more equally split in gender. Oranyan is sometimes used to refer to a male tsundere character - incorrectly since it means the complete opposite. "
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.So a tsundere would alternate between nice and mean depending on who he/she is interacting with.
A Jerk with a Heart of Gold would act mean the whole time until some desperate situation happens like a young girl tripping in front of a incoming truck needs to be rescued. Is this right?
edited 15th Jul '11 1:59:35 PM by revolution11
Think Of The Ewoks.....
No quite. For what I understand, a Tsundere vary between nice and mean in relation to a single specific person (or group, or whatever). As in, if a girl is aways nice to someone and aways mean to another, she is not really a tsundere. But if she is sometiems sweet to the one she is usually harsh, then she is a (tsun-type) Tsundere.
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Wiktionary gives me:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/run_hot_and_cold
to run hot and cold (idiomatic) To alternate between two opposite extremes, such as enthusiasm and disinterest or success and failure. Henrietta's feelings for Delbert run hot and cold—one minute she's hopelessly in love with him, and the next she can't stand the sight of him.