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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#51: Jul 20th 2011 at 12:37:07 AM

I always thought that that Eileen head was one of those Nightmare Retardant things from Silent Hill.

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OmegaKross Muhaha... haha... HAHAHAHAHA! from Nameless Dark Oblivion Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#52: Jul 20th 2011 at 9:40:02 AM

It scared the bejeesus out of me the first time. Now that I expect it, It doesnt have the same effect, but its still freaky.

edited 20th Jul '11 9:40:20 AM by OmegaKross

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TweedlyDee BWAAAH! from Kansas Since: Apr, 2010
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#53: Jul 20th 2011 at 12:57:00 PM

What if we designated janitors to clean up examples? Not exactly an amin or a mod, but somebody to make sure the examples are apropos to the trope, like in this case?

edited 20th Jul '11 12:59:30 PM by TweedlyDee

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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#54: Jul 20th 2011 at 7:27:03 PM

^ Well . . .

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TweedlyDee BWAAAH! from Kansas Since: Apr, 2010
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#55: Jul 20th 2011 at 7:34:36 PM

[up] Well what? Clearly someone ain't doin' their job.

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OmegaKross Muhaha... haha... HAHAHAHAHA! from Nameless Dark Oblivion Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#56: Jul 20th 2011 at 7:41:16 PM

I think its because the subpages are on the Darth Wiki.

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RockLeeYourFace Splendid Ninja from Narutard Land (or Texas) Since: Jul, 2011
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#57: Dec 6th 2012 at 4:52:49 PM

I realize this thread is old, but I've been noticing the same types of issues mentioned here and seeing them so often has become a bit grating.

I went through some HONF today, so I'm gonna ask: perhaps part of the problem is the sensationalist tone the examples are written in? Would it help if they were all written as just the bare facts with none of this "READ THIS SPOILER AND YOU'LL NEVER SLEEP AGAIN" crap?

I think that basically hit the nail on the head. There's far too much 'hyping it up' and "X was so scary" going on and not enough of explaining the actual content.

  • "This. Just...THIS"/"I was SOOOO creeped out by THIS"/"This scene."/etc. with a link to a video or a link to another page on the wiki.
    • Links aren't good enough. Tell us what the heck you're talking about and don't expect people to just search through other pages or leave the site to figure it out.
  • Overly-conversational sounding examples: "I thought X was so scary!" with a reply under it that "I know! And then when X happened, I totally FREAKED!"
  • "When [short and vague description] happened I was so scared. It made me stay up late for weeks and I still think about it when X happens in real life."
    • We aren't there to read all about you. We're there to read about the work. Tell us about the Nightmare Fuel and not just your reaction to it.
  • "Anyone who isn't scared by [vague description] isn't a real person. I was so terrified. [Description of their life after seeing X.]"
    • Basically a combination of the two problems above, but more annoying because now they're telling other people how to feel while still giving little information about what the heck they found so disturbing in the first place.

Even after reading all of these, I still haven't learned anything substantial about the works actual content.

Is this a problem? Should something be done about this? If so, what?

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#58: Dec 6th 2012 at 7:13:54 PM

Even after the whole Nightmare Fuel rework it is a problem, IMO, and given that much of that kind of thing was before standards started getting tightened for certain tropes I think there's room for an argument to be made to wipe all the entries (not an Example Sectionectomy, mind you; new entries allowed afterward), and start afresh with some guidelines laid down to reduce the clutter. There's just too much crap in there to reasonably go through it all before the heat death of the universe, no matter how many tropers work on the problem.

(Mind you, the first point you bring up is covered under Weblinks Are Not Examples, the second under Conversation In The Main Page, the third by the "no first-person" policy, and the fourth... I'm sure something covers it, though I'm not sure what, off the top of my head.)

edited 6th Dec '12 7:17:19 PM by Nohbody

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RockLeeYourFace Splendid Ninja from Narutard Land (or Texas) Since: Jul, 2011
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#59: Dec 6th 2012 at 8:01:21 PM

Do you think there's any way to get rid of the mess without getting rid of everything else? That seems a bit drastic and should probably be a last resort. Perhaps if we started by cleaning up popular HONF pages people would get the idea and stop adding crappy examples.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#60: Dec 6th 2012 at 9:42:06 PM

Well, first of all there's no HONF any more. NF and Accidental NF are the options (HONF just redirects to NF, now).

As for wiping, I didn't mean it was an ideal response, but at least to me it looks to be the lesser evil, so to speak, compared to leaving that mess that encourages bad troping.

edited 6th Dec '12 9:43:18 PM by Nohbody

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#61: Dec 7th 2012 at 12:14:39 AM

Point 4 is covered by Conversationin The Main Page, This Troper and How To Write An Example.

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