@Handle: I don't know about that. The girls in my high school got into way more fights than the guys, and they were always done with intent to maim (see, the times in which a girl ran another girl's face against a stucco wall like it was a cheese grater).
The guys usually did a lot of posturing, but backed down before it came to blows. The girls would fight over the drop of a hat and wouldn't quit.
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -DrunkscriblerianHoly shit, that's so different from my experience. Did they think they were in a Hellsing episode or something? I mean, disfigurement? For a girl? That is so mean...
^^You're right, it was a stupid figure of speech, and I was wrong for using it. What I meant to say was "they are wrong and they should feel wrong, and if I meet them I shall oppose them in the way I find most effective: scorn them if they are thin-skinned, persuade them if they are reasonable, intimidate them if they are cowardly, and that this opinion is absurd and should die in an oubliette and never be brought up again". Next time I won't be so lazy or crude. Let's all improve our language together.
edited 8th Jul '12 12:13:26 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.My fair lady, are you making a mockery of nationalism?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.I dunno, I went to a high school with mostly upper class wealthy kids and I saw far more physical fighting by girls than anything. I don't even ever recall the guys ever getting violent with each other.
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What I was saying a few pages back...I think children ought to have access to the same set of tools as an adult in the courtroom, if we're going to expect them to conform to a similar set of rules. Adults seem to like holding children accountable for their behavior as if they were grown *.
So, let's give kids the same rights. Let them claim "self-defense" as an adult can when they are assaulted. Most people here, I think, can remember a time when they were legitimately dealt harm for no reason.
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~Do they not have those rights?
And, regardless, how are school rules implemented anyway? From what I gather, there are the set of laws that we all live by, but then a second set of laws on top of those which are implemented by the school on what's basically a contractual basis, the exact specifics of which vary from school to school. All problems are dealt with on site first, and then are pushed higher up the chain by the school/parents/other institutions if it's felt they need to be.
That said, it's unclear to me just how much power if held by the school, and how easily the judgements of individual teachers can be overruled by legal institutions. I'm uncertain as to what rights, exactly, children can or already do possess, and how that informs their own agency in combating physical threats or intimidation.
edited 9th Jul '12 12:57:15 AM by Nicknacks
This post has been powered by avenging fury and a balanced diet.The concept of "in loco parentis" covers the legal authority of schools over their students. Here is an article
that covers some of the basics.
Another aspect of all this is cyberbulling. In a situation where there is no opportunity for physical abuse, yet children have been known to commit suicide over comments posted about them online, and in which the limits of free speech for minors is still pretty murky, what's the best approach?
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.There are still other ways to do that other than Facebook harassment, though. If someone is truly determined to make another person miserable, they'll find a way. Por ejemplo
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Even then, though, you can't just completely nanny their internet activity, no matter how much you try, and in a situation like this, no amount of monitoring could have stopped it.
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HOLY SHIT man, I've just read this. This calls for blood. I mean, call it Values Dissonance, but, in my home country, tribunals should be these people's least worry. That's the sort of situation where getting a life sentence, or even a death sentence, would be a perfectly acceptable tradeoff.
edited 10th Jul '12 12:27:06 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.It's especially despicable considering that it was done by a parent who should know better. But, then, maybe I'm giving parents in general too much credit.
Insert witty and clever quip here. My page, as the database hates my handle.While that example was very extreme, more common is a scenario in which a large number of students at a school are exchanging rumors about another student, which then impacts their real-life relationships. Typical examples might be claiming someone is guilty of sleeping around, or using drugs, or committed violence against somebody, or stole something. Girls appear to be more at risk for this than boys, but only to an extent. Since the activity does not take place on any one student's account, but is spread over many different participants, parental monitoring may not catch it. And remember that once on the internet, these accusations are preserved forever.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.a) It's permanent b) It typically involves way more people (potentially literally everyone the victim knows c) It's more likely to demonstrate mob behavior (everyone suddenly jumps on board, and there's some competition over who can produce the most outlandish claim) d) It's way easier to fake a credible source e) It can rapidly spread beyond the school.
But, point taken. Face to face gossip can be bullying too.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Spreading it by mouth is only limited to people within that school and people tend to forget about it after time passes. On the internet ANYONE can see it and it extend far beyond the school so you can have people from other schools or just others in general commenting on it. As someone just said, once on the internet, it's never going to be deleted.
Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.Pretty much the past few posts.
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Said people can go eat my jizz. That's an untenable position to have.
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