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Nitramy Evil-Smiting Umbrella from Antipolo City, PH Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Evil-Smiting Umbrella
#6926: Mar 20th 2014 at 8:46:58 AM

[up] Nah, not really.

Instead of Sasuke's teammates taking offense at Kakashi training him solo for the Chunin Exam final, he insists that they do it as a team. Whatever thrown Sasuke's way, Kiba and Sakura can handle.

Needless to say, Kakashi also recruits a few other ninja to help. Hilarity Ensues.

Neither goony beard-men nor rainbow-haired she-twinks will stand in the way of my dreams!
TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#6927: Mar 20th 2014 at 10:01:19 AM

@ Nitramy: I would so read it.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6928: Mar 20th 2014 at 9:00:46 PM

IANCE updated his expendable heroes fic.

Karnality Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
#6929: Mar 20th 2014 at 10:28:43 PM

"That's only true because the plot loves shoving them aside and not expanding them like they totally deserve. Cough Shino Cough."

Shino had terrible characterization before Team 8 happened (At least I think that is what started it) and began to Stoic Badass routine he has now.

On the latest chapter: Kamui apparently turns you blind. Which totally messed up my headcanon that unique Mangekyo mutations like it and Shisui's eyes don't play by the rules. Such as Tobi's ability to phase while outside of Mangekyo form, or its lack of blindness since he uses it SO MUCH.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#6930: Mar 20th 2014 at 11:17:39 PM

I always just assumed the Hashirama juice in Obito's body keeps him from going blind

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#6931: Mar 21st 2014 at 7:54:07 AM

Can anyone recommend a (non-lemon) WAFF fic? I'm feeling pretty damn shitty right now and want something to cheer me up.

edited 21st Mar '14 7:55:44 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6932: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:12:49 AM

You know guys i was recalling the Talk we had of authors who did not want to listen to advice, i remembered an other, James D Fawkes, to make a long story short last time i checked his FS Nx Fo Z fic he was hell bent on making Medea the big bad, by having her taking the stupid choices:

she is a magus stranded on a place that is similar to the era of the gods but not quite so, she migth be rejected by elves and humans but she can control any man with ease and forge the papers that she needs to buy a house, make a living, and be at peace.

Fawkes insists on having her go to the deep and summon an army of Servants, ranging from Karna to Gilgamesh and let them loose on the Zn T world.

I debated on his comunity forums long and hard that idea was very stupid, and that Medea had already being overused as villain at least neo alpha is giving her a Character development via his FSN fic.

He promptly told me that people take the stupid solution as it's the easier path.

So i would like to reccomend you also avoid absolutley his naruto fic which is basically Naruto replacing Hitsugaya and then later Naruto splitting his soul to create hitsugaya, Momo being Hinata, Kisuke being Kakashi, and so on.


Tale of the Kurai Kitsune has been updated, and it went to hell, Naruto predictably betrayed Konoha, he shoved Sakura down a cliff and went to give Sasuke to Orochimaru in a silver platter all so he can Destroy Iwa who killed his previous team (the author used the cliche of psychotic grudge of Iwa against Minato and his kin) so to paraphrase @IANCE Naruto just signed his own death warrant and is now going to pass Kurama to an other poor folk.

edited 21st Mar '14 4:56:59 PM by Duncan0Idaho

viciousgirl2014 ADHD!!!!!! from Rockdale texas Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
ADHD!!!!!!
#6933: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:21:27 PM

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6606336/1/Ghost-Flowers The war Madara has waged against Konoha has started, Sasuke is becoming more corrupt with hatred and vengeance everyday, and Naruto is keeping a secret from him that could change everything. Sasu Fem Naru

~insert witty comment here~
Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6934: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:44:13 PM

[up][up]That guy sounds lazy and pretentious. Yeah, Naruto should get taken back and replaced.

[up]Skimmed the first chapter and saw the line, "You're such a teme". Teme's already a pronoun; "You're such a you".

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6935: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:50:13 PM

@Ironypus

"As I'm sure Sandaime-sama has told you I hate the man on a personal level. However I know that alone isn't reason enough as shinobi are consistently made to do things they don't like so I won't go into detail about it. The purpose of this trip officially is to get me ready to face Akatsuki as we know they want the biju. However I feel I can continue my training here to achieve the same results. In just under a year and a half with only help from scrolls left by my parents, Kakashi-sensei, and the small occasional other I've managed to progress from a mere chunin hopeful into a ninja capable of taking down the Ichibi on my own. I'm not denying that I will need more training to be capable of fighting Akatsuki on equal terms, however I feel it would be better if I continue to train here. This way I'll still be available for missions as well as within the village and able to receive backup should Akatsuki try to claim me again. Also, if it has to be Jiraiya then the man can simply train me here when he has the time as he has done before, stopping by with some help when I needed it in between trips for his spy network. On the other hand if I'm sent out with Jiraiya, I'll be forced off the village's roster during the time and my only help against a possible Akatsuki attack would be Jiraiya himself. While he is no doubt one of the strongest in the village right now, two S-rank criminals at once would be difficult and that's not taking into account the possibility of Akatsuki sending more than a single pair for my capture." Naruto stopped for a moment to see if their was anything else he could think of before sighing. "On a more personal note I think I may get in the way of his duties to his spy network and I'm positive that he'd likely spend just as much time going to brothels and peeking on women as he would training me and that would really just anger me and drive unneeded tension between us."

^ > Reasons why Naruto does not wishes to go with Jiraiya.

Tsunade waited a moment to be sure he was done before nodding her head and going over her own thoughts. "Well that was all very well thought out and delivered, and you're right on a few points however now for my reasoning on why despite that, you're still going." She started as he scowled but stayed silent. "One, you wouldn't be taken off the roster, just temporarily put on our list for field agents like Jiraiya himself meaning I'll send you missions that I feel you and the man can do nearby whatever location you'd currently be at. Two, while Jiraiya will be keeping up with his spy network and would leave you to your own devices during those periods, he has sworn he will hold back on his perverted habits to fully devote that attention to your training. In fact upon return you will tell me if he upheld that promise and if he hasn't I will personally castrate him and miss-heal the wound so that he'll be scarred for life." The woman paused here as the teen couldn't help but let out a slight grin before it fell at how he was still being forced to go with the man. "And third, the main reason you can't train here is because the biggest thing Jiraiya plans on training you in is controlling the Kyuubi's chakra. Doing so in the village runs the risk of multiple civilian casualties should you lose control whereas if you do in the wilderness somewhere that risk is practically non-existent." Naruto kept his scowl as he tried to think of a way around her reasoning and could only fall back on his own feelings against the man, which as shinobi meant very little in their line of work. Tsunade could even see as realization fell on him and he grit his teeth before giving a curt nod.

"I understand. Thank you for your time Hokage-sama." With another short bow the teen left as Tsunade sighed, an action mirrored by Sarutobi on the couch.

"You handled that well Tsunade. Naruto-kun may be angry but he is a loyal shinobi and seeing no other avenue he'll go along with the trip now. Admittedly begrudgingly but still of his own free will." The man offered up as the woman nodded.

"Is he always that bad tempered?" She asked as she glanced at him and saw him shaking his head.

"Only when things concern Jiraiya, Iwa, or Kyuubi. Otherwise he's respectful enough and light-hearted for the most part. It's just he really dislikes Jiraiya for seemingly ignoring him for the first eleven years of his life and then the man's attitude gets on his nerves, even though before losing his old teammates he was much the same way. Without the perversion though." The man added as an afterthought since Tsunade looked like she was about to comment on having another Jiraiya was a bad thing. She sighed again but nodded her head as she spun her chair around to look out the window at the village.

^ > Reasoning of Sarutobi and Tsunade of why Naruto should go.

edited 21st Mar '14 10:03:50 PM by Duncan0Idaho

Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6936: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:03:13 PM

That's both hilarious and sad. Chucking a tantrum because your neglectful godfather wants to make it up to you a bit, but you hate him because he was neglectful so you hand a dangerous, megalomaniacal psychopathic mad scientist a guy with over powered magic eyes so he'll help you destroy a city of rival assassins who want to kill you because your dad was super badass.

Ok, the second half of that sounds pretty fun, petty Disproportionate Retribution aside.

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6937: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:07:05 PM

@Ironypus the thing is that Jiraiya attitude comes to Naruto as 'If you forgive me then i'll teach this or that, or this other thing' he feels like Jiraiya is bribing him into liking him instead of apologizing.

Oh and the man is trying to Naruto forget about his hatred towards Iwa, you know the bastards that murdered his first friends? and taunted him and tortured his love interest? oh sure wise course of action jiraiya keep telling Naruto to let go of the hatred but never bother to ask really why he hates Iwa so much.

EDIT at least tsunade figures the mother of all screw ups, too late:

"Go willingly my ass sensei. The little brat went rogue over this." She muttered as she looked down at the paperwork on her desk. How could she focus on that now with this crisis going on?

at's just it Sasuke-kun, it's not! Neither of you should've left! Tsunade-sama sent us to bring you back!" Sasuke looked even more confused before glancing at Naruto. The girl also turned her other teammate as he still kept his head down. "Please Naruto, you need to come home." The other three were silent as Sakura tied to talk to her teammates, having orders to jump in only should things get violent. Sakura took a step closer to Naruto so that she was in front of him, her back to the cliff-side as she reached down and grabbed one of his hands and raised it up. "Naruto, whatever it is that's been bugging you, we can help. If it's the trip with Jiraiya-sama, I think you've made your point. Please, come back to Konoha with us." The blond was silent as Sakura tried to smile for him but was still worried at how he hadn't said a word since they showed up. Finally he did but it was so quiet only she could hear it.

"So close..."

"Huh?"

"I'm so close... So close to my goals... I'm not about to stop now!" Naruto shouted as he then shocked them all by doing the unthinkable.

He shoved Sakura over the cliff.

edited 21st Mar '14 10:14:08 PM by Duncan0Idaho

Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6938: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:13:47 PM

It's not like twelve year olds are very good at that stuff anyway, especially ones with a history of neglect. Still, going to Orochimaru to destroy Stone. It would have taken him at least a two days to get there, surely he had at least one passing thought that maybe this wasn't a very good idea.

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6939: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:16:31 PM

@Ironypus, nope, he thinks it's a great idea, he gets power, he destroys Iwa and he is happy, the world can burn as long as Iwa is burnt to the Ashes.

check the second quote of my last post, he is so determined that he shoved Sakura from a cliff because she was impeding his goals

Irony is that is Sasuke who is the sane one and wants nothing to do with Orochimaru.

I think that aside Hinata no one cared much about Naruto as a person.

edited 21st Mar '14 10:22:50 PM by Duncan0Idaho

Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6940: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:21:42 PM

Oh, so this was a pre meditated evil deed, not some crime of passion.

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6941: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:26:07 PM

@Ironypus yep, Kabuto had laid the offer during the search for Tsunade arc, Naruto took it up recently and planned how to break Tayuya out and tricked Sasuke onto it being a mission from Tsunade.

The only passion part was shoving Sakura.

Seriously the whole fic runs on the Idiot Ball, Naruto has a hatred of Iwa? you dont shoe horn him again as a Ninja, you send him to a Yamanaka or a shrink, you think of stimulating his loyalties, certainly sending him with the man he hates is not a good idea.

Really no one puts themselves on Naruto's shoes during the whole fic, they all want to Naruto to open up but disregard his feelings constantly, Kakashi by picking Sakura and Sasuke when Naruto clearly dint wanted to be on a team but Kakashi shoe horned him onto it, Sarutobi being an idiot for not paying attention to Naruto, Jiraiya for not having a brain, if the kid hates your guts bribing him is not the way to go, Tsunade if some one hits the nail on all the problems you take a step back, look at his perspective then decide, you dont force a ninja with a shaky loyalty with some one he clearly does not appreciates that winds up with him breaking his loyalty towards Konoha.

I get the the Kage's must balance the needs of the few and the needs of the many, but in this case it's the bonds of loyalty of your WMD versus the wishes of your friend, in this case the loyalty should outweight the friendship.

edited 21st Mar '14 10:32:16 PM by Duncan0Idaho

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#6942: Mar 22nd 2014 at 3:39:39 AM

Not to defend the author, but there is precedent for Konoha screwing over valuable assets to the point they desert (as in: Sasuke, and maybe Orochimaru).

For a Protagonist Journey to Villain, that doesn't sound terrible...

Oh wait...

The author is portraying it as heroic, right?

edited 22nd Mar '14 4:57:13 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6943: Mar 22nd 2014 at 11:12:19 AM

@Ifwanderer yep the author has left quite clear that it was the right decision for naruto to desert Konoha, that there is nothing wrong with it, he is still loyal to the village but their idea of wanting to make him forget about Iwa is an obstacle.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#6944: Mar 22nd 2014 at 12:02:31 PM

May I ask where did he say it was the right thing to do?

Edit: got confused between the two authors, if anyone else had the same problem:

  • The current conversation started from a post where DI rants about 2 topics (we are talking about the second topic):
    • 1) a fic writer who uses the screen name (which may also be his real name) "James D. Fawkes".
    • 2) a fic called "Tale of the Kurai Kitsune", which (in DI's words) "has been updated, and it went to hell".

edited 22nd Mar '14 12:27:41 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6945: Mar 22nd 2014 at 12:33:06 PM

@Ifwanderer i am talking of the second the tale of the Kurai Kitsune, it was implicit, Naruto has no remorse of leaving Konoha behind as long as he gets to destroy Iwa.

Regarding Fawkes well as i said Idiot ball+Stupid choices.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#6946: Mar 22nd 2014 at 12:44:24 PM

I know, I left it there for anyone else who may have been confused too (that includes the people who only read this but don't reply).

it was implicit, Naruto has no remorse of leaving Konoha behind as long as he gets to destroy Iwa.

That actually works as a Protagonist Journey to Villain.

Now I started reading the fic, I get the impression that people don't realize their possession sues come off as villain protagonists when the people in the audience aren't also inserting themselves as the Possession Sue main character.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6947: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:35:39 PM

@Ifwanderer it's similar to Sasuke's betrayal in Canon, i am pretty sure the fic is going to end soon because as soon Orochimaru get his hands on Sasuke he will give Naruto to Akatsuki in exchange for them leaving him alone (but wont work thanks to Tobi/obito/Madara wanting Sasuke's eyes)

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#6948: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:41:09 PM

On an unrelated note, is anybody here going to take one for the team and pick an avatar for themselves? Cause that would really help in trimming this field of black, white, gray, and red.

I mean, maybe it's me, I'm just not used to a lot of posts from red-linked users without avatars. Avatars are nifty identifiers. You can even change them at will!

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Fair enough. Welcome to the avatar club. You can now send your avatar to the arena in the Just for Fun sections of TV Tropes.

edited 22nd Mar '14 7:24:29 PM by FOFD

Miriku Since: Jul, 2013
#6949: Mar 22nd 2014 at 7:00:51 PM

I kinda love villain protagonists; they can be pretty amusing. Well, if they're well-done. Which probably doesn't happen very often.

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6950: Mar 22nd 2014 at 7:17:03 PM

Been trying to figure for some time how to add avatars, the system is not all that intuitive as in some other places, at least i have my favorite avatar now.

And FF.net is down, really whats the problem with their servers? even a non server PC was more stable than this in the days i played Pokemon Online competitive.

edited 22nd Mar '14 7:54:50 PM by Duncan0Idaho


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