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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#6201: Feb 18th 2014 at 4:42:58 PM

[up][up] His power works as Kishi needs it to.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#6202: Feb 18th 2014 at 4:46:30 PM

All the Uchiha's powers work the way Kishi needs them to.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6203: Feb 18th 2014 at 5:15:09 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Unless you've got a stash to burn on various unseemly projects, using them as 1ups is pretty sensible.

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6204: Feb 18th 2014 at 5:33:27 PM

Speaking of intangible, I would have sworn they said Obito's "intangibility" was actually him hiding in another dimension. How does that have a time limit on it?

Shifting partially to a different dimension and staying in that half shifted state could need a lot of chakra.

@IANCE @Ironypus one question dint Obito had a scene in a lab with several hundred pairs of Sharingan?

RandomaNama Since: Oct, 2013
#6205: Feb 18th 2014 at 5:41:34 PM

@ The Nobody

Thanks for your thoughts! Shikamaru and Chouji being sane men, but distant towards Sakura would work pretty well actually. Since Sakura tends to be the most bashed in Sue stories and will be the most vocal one about the sues' rotten influence, she'd have the biggest target on her back.

One possible route with this is Shikamaru is the mastermind in the shadows, using the unknowing Sakura as bait while he (tries to) take action against the sues. In this scenario, Chouji (the fat one no sue would pay attention to) would be occasionally appear to Sakura to offer her his encouragement ('cause he's a nice guy), but mainly keep his distance ('cause Sakura isn't really his friend and he doesn't want to risk repercussions against Shikamaru or his clan if he's caught supporting Sakura).

That could actually be fun. I already changed my mind about Danzou holding the Idiot Ball. Instead he'll be a sane man, but he'll also be preferred character for the sues' maniacal villain, and the entire village will be turning against him. I could do an arc about how the anti-sue schemes of Sakura, Shikamaru, and Danzou all intersect, and pile up. Sakura would be directly challenging the sues logic, Shikamrau would be working to destroy them from the inside, and Danzou will constantly be trying to assassinate them.

Still undecided if I want to do a sue in Kakashi's generation. If I were, she'd be a Mary Tzu Rin-replacement who's been in hiding all these years (and in an illicit replacement with Zabuza? who's an older non-Akatsuki missing-nin who fangirls fantasize about?) who only now returned to Konoha for... reasons. She also has half the Three-Tails. Her Pros: There can be a hilarious moment where she completely derails Madara's plan just because Obito is in love with her, and not Rin (there'd be an Akatsuki Sue to replace him as villain). Cons: Little reason for her to interact with Sakura and her Mary Tzu status may be hard to counter.

Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6206: Feb 18th 2014 at 5:44:17 PM

[up][up]Yes, but we're never going to see them again.

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6207: Feb 18th 2014 at 5:48:11 PM

No but it gives me leeway for my fic, i dont need to cut Danzo's arm, Obito can simply do monkey sees, monkey does, with both arms..., yes it's sufficient to truly turn the tide of the battle, Enough Izanagi's along intangibility could make it a stall game.

I could also use it to showscase the abilities of each Jinchuriki, Ukataka and his bubble jutsu, Han with his steam, Roshi and his Monkey based taijutsu, Yugito and Katon, Bee with his thunderball maneouver, Naruto and his Rasen Shuriken, Gaara with his Sand Funeral.

Endless posibilities.

edited 18th Feb '14 5:52:57 PM by Duncan0Idaho

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#6208: Feb 18th 2014 at 7:48:03 PM

Izanagi. I reject the reality of this technique blinding my one of my eyes forever and substitute it for one in which I, and only I, can utilize this technique with no adverse consequences towards myself whatsoever. I am now effectively god.

There we go. It took me 1 second to think up a way to counter Izanagi's main drawback. All I need to do is use Izanagi once again to recover the eye I used up, and no eye will be consumed due to the prior use.

Reality Warper powers are the de facto Story-Breaker Power for a reason.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6209: Feb 18th 2014 at 9:11:46 PM

I don't think it's quite that strong, if godhood was so easy to get one of the many power hungry Uchiha would be god by now. Either that or it's incompetence again, but I don't really like that excuse. It makes the series more enjoyable to have the interpretation, "Izanagi isn't that strong," then, "everyone's so dumb it's a miracle they can breathe on their own".

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6210: Feb 18th 2014 at 9:17:09 PM

It could be possible that Izanagi cannot be used to null it's own effects.

On a long list of really average fics one i found some time ago is well, more average than the rest, https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3520581/1/Naruto-vs-Sasuke-The-Aftermath it's a very love it or hate it due to the treatment of Sasuke (who is now much more active against Konoha) Sakura (who winds up being raped by Sasuke after she goes to him to the point where she falls in love with naruto as a way to cope, only that by that point the treatment of Sakura towards his turned him off from her) and kills Chouji for no other reason than to show Sasuke and Oto are dangerous.

edited 18th Feb '14 9:28:14 PM by Duncan0Idaho

Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#6211: Feb 18th 2014 at 9:32:37 PM

Wasn't the whole reason Izanami was invented because someone had been abusing Izanagi like that?

Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6212: Feb 18th 2014 at 9:38:18 PM

I think it was because Uchiha kept nicking each others eyes to cheat death and eventually went completely psychotic, but since they were hard to kill what with their respawns, you could just Izanami them until they agreed with you. Geez, even the Uchiha's good jutsu still end up as a mind raper.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#6213: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:12:20 PM

I'm sorry, dood, but they really are so incompetent they can barely frikkin' chew.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
memo Since: Apr, 2013
#6214: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:14:47 PM

@DI

Is the rape explicit and hot?

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6215: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:16:24 PM

@Memo to be honest i havent read the story in some time so i dont remember, i think there was some description of what Sasuke did to Sakura.

memo Since: Apr, 2013
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6217: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:24:13 PM

If you are seeking rape then VF Snake is right up your alley, somehow every lemon he writes is rape, i have yet to see something that is consensual and is not mind break.

memo Since: Apr, 2013
#6218: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:29:33 PM

Interesting, thanks for the rec. I think the fic you posted is kinda shit though, though I'm definitely not it's target audience. I was big on those cliches when I was younger though so I get why it's so popular.

Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6219: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:41:35 PM

[up]x6: But some of the jutsu they use must have taken a lot of complex thought to understand, let alone create, they have batteries and conference calls and plans with more than one step. They understand the concept of subterfuge and false flag operations and how to write a story book. Some of the smarter ones are even aware of the scientific method and the very nature of souls. Surely this is evidence enough that this isn't just incompetence, but rather that Izanagi doesn't give you godhood in one easy step?

edited 18th Feb '14 10:42:04 PM by Ironypus

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6220: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:52:41 PM

Uh graspin at straws there @Ironypus @Memo the only non rape works are those in his FF.net page the rest is on his AFF page and it's not much better compared to beastlairs resident expert lemon writer Elf V Fsnake fails pretty harsh.

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#6221: Feb 19th 2014 at 8:00:44 AM

@ Randoma: So, is Chouji Obfuscating Stupidity to divert the attention from Shikamaru's plans? Maybe they can cooperate on some questions? I think Shika would adjust his plans to make sure they don't interfere with Sakura's - but he'd likely have no idea what Danzo's plans are.

If the Mary Tzu doesn't have reasons to interact with Sakura, you can keep it as a "background event", and make her act off-screen. If you think it would be too strong, then it could be the "final fight" of some sort, that all three Sane groups cooperate to take out.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#6222: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:23:04 AM

@Ironypus

I'm going by what's shown on screen, and on screen, the only smart person so far is Senju Tobirama.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#6223: Feb 19th 2014 at 11:18:32 AM

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VF Snake you say?

Naruto struggled to get off the ground.

Neji had just shut down his chakra points and was now taunting him about being a loser just like Hinata. The memory of him talking to the shy Hyuuga girl at the training post, how she feared for his life when fighting Neji made Naruto's blood boil with rage, as another memory of that same sweet girl fighting her cousin, and nearly being destroyed filled the young Uzumaki's mind. It wasn't fair! Had his training the entire Month been for nothing? Not surprising that it was since Kakashi-baka refused to train his only other student aside from the Uchiha for the exams and the pervert Jiraiya only taught Toad summoning.

Even after learning it, Jiraiya had forbidden him from using it in the exams, and would have Naruto removed from the contract if he did. What was the point in training him in things if they couldn't be used?

'He's just like the others. Holding me back! And for what? Probably thinks I'm the fox in some form or hates me because of the fur ball. How can I keep my promise to make Neji pay when my training has been so little while his has no doubt been nonstop? DAMN IT!' thought Naruto, as he struggled to get off the ground, and ignored the boos for his efforts that came from the crowd.

"You should stay down loser. Fate decrees you lose and it will be Fate that makes you die if you don't stay down. Even the people in the stands know what I'm telling you is true and half of them aren't even Shinobi," said Neji seeing Naruto stand up and glaring at him with those blue eyes that seemed to be...changing slightly?

"Fuck you! Maybe these people would be singing a different tune if they knew how you tried to kill your own cousin. Who the fuck does that? And to someone like Hinata? She didn't want to fight you because you're like a brother to her! You still are in Hinata's eyes. Kind of ironic really. You claim those eyes see everything Neji, but those eyes don't see the one person out of your entire clan, who actually cares about family, and making it whole again. I'm not the loser here Neji...you are!"

That was the problem though. It wasn't Kyuubi's power. It wasn't her strength flowing through him right now.

Poor Neji. So many fics where Naruto goes Sgt Kratos Alucard Baltar Mercer, just in the nick of time to brutalize Neji.

edited 19th Feb '14 11:32:19 AM by FOFD

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6224: Feb 19th 2014 at 11:36:41 AM

Sounds like a bad rip off from this fic https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7468970/1/Uzumaki-Naruto-Birth-of-the-New-Demon-King Naruto i descendant from Raizen onyl that he bashes Kakashi, Minato comes back in a role similar to Yusuke (spirit detective only that here is mediator) and Naruto becomes what Yusuke is on the last season

Despite Vfsnake publishing it a year before.

And to be fair, Neiji before getting his ass kicked nine ways to sunday was an ass, an unrepentant ass.

edited 19th Feb '14 12:22:11 PM by Duncan0Idaho

memo Since: Apr, 2013
#6225: Feb 19th 2014 at 3:07:18 PM

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Poor guy. Why does he always get bashed so much. Let Neji maintain some dignity, he turns out to be a dece bro.

Stu fic writers should just power him up at Itachi anyway. It's a much better powerup to hold your own against him/beat his shit in. A lot more impressive.


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