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Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6176: Feb 17th 2014 at 5:48:30 PM

But seriously, go watch just about any Shounen series ever for examples of climaxes that do not suck.

From the top of my head? the series i've seen that have sucky climaxes are Yu Yu Hakusho (the pre 2nd demon world tournament arc was good because it was getting overdone, the villain falling and not pulling out of his ass a new power) Dragon Ball Z in which the climax was extended for 80 episodes (exageration but the original series tended to over extend the climax Namek arc comes to mind) Saint Seiya (much less than DBZ but very guilty of this)

Reading is something else as the only climax it was getting good was Ubel Blatt only for the whole thing to have been thrown to the side, the antagonist somehow came back to life.

And if i were to find a way of toppling the whole thing in favor of the enemy is by taking a page from Echoes, Obito implanting his whole body with Sharingans.

Able to spam Izanagi to be keep the tables balanced, it would be a battle of endurance, who would collapse first? Obito or the nine?

edited 17th Feb '14 5:50:13 PM by Duncan0Idaho

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#6177: Feb 17th 2014 at 5:59:17 PM

I really shouldn't do this, it's not like you'll listen anyway - you never do -, but here goes: Don't steal from other fics.

Draw inspiration? Yes.

Outright steal ideas and concepts? Big no.

And... learn what a goddamn climax is.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6178: Feb 17th 2014 at 6:06:50 PM

I really shouldn't do this, it's not like you'll listen anyway - you never do -, but here goes: Don't steal from other fics. Draw inspiration? Yes. Outright steal ideas and concepts? Big no.

Eh good point, i could instead do what Canon did with Madara but with Obito instead implant himself with Hashirama's cells and get instant regen like Madara does and still turn it onto a battle of atrition.

Or following the previous line of thought i could have Obito kill Danzo and steal his arm and eye.

A a side note isnt the climax the highest point of Drama or Tension in a media? the battle of Goku versus Freezer/Frieza was extended for what 5-6 chapters? any tension was artifically generated as the characters spent what 10-15 mins speaking to each other? at least Cell games was better in that regard as nothing they heroes had at that point could match him, but then he pulled the trope 'from a single cell' and created uneeded drama.

The climax (from the Greek word “κλῖμαξ” (klimax) meaning “staircase” and “ladder”) or turning point of a narrative work is its point of highest tension or drama or when the action starts in which the solution is given

edited 17th Feb '14 6:15:41 PM by Duncan0Idaho

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#6179: Feb 17th 2014 at 6:16:38 PM

You're thinking of tension as suddenness.

It's not that.

Tension can be kept over a fight that is several chapters long. You're going from the perspective of the Naruto series in which there's the longest fight scene ever at the War Arc's 100th chapter (the entire War Arc has been nothing but a fight scene against Madorka and Obidioto). 5 or 6 chapters, in a manga, actually isn't that much.

The fight is a climax because it is the resolution of the arc. It is a tense fight because you could conceivably see either side winning until Freeza starts going weaker. When Freeza becomes too weak to face Goku in a fair fight, the climax is over. The moment the end result becomes obvious, the climax has passed.

To give you an even easier to understand example: When Goku is pushing with all his might against Kid Buu who's returning the Genkidama, that's the climax. When the heroes remember there's still one last wish to restore Goku's energy, the solution is given and the climax has passed.

edited 17th Feb '14 6:20:52 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6180: Feb 17th 2014 at 6:22:30 PM

@IANCE i was not refering to the manga, but the anime series of DBZ, and you might be right, i always took climax as the turning point and associated it with sudden tension, for example on Dead Beat for me the climax was when Harry mounted on Sue faced Morgan, the tension was there and it was the turning point because they were now enemies when they before were not really friendly allies the climax ended when iirc Harry won over Morgan.

Before the event their tension was the usual 'you used black magic so you could snap and i will kill you once you do'

And i am sick of the War arc of Naruto Madara is now the Juubi Jinchuriki so he is now able to curbstomp and Zetsu has the ass pulled ability to steal Bijuu's.

Going by all of this i would say the climax of my fic would be the Ame Arc as it's the turning point the tension would come as Naruto would be facing at first alone the six paths and Konan then the Jinchruiki's arrive to help evening the odds, it would pass once Naruto is able to kill the path that resurrects the others is done because from there it would be easy until Obito shows and declares he is going after Nagato so now the objectives shifted from battling him to protecting him.

edited 17th Feb '14 6:29:56 PM by Duncan0Idaho

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#6181: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:41:10 PM

Actually, the climax is over the moment the hero has the advantage, unless you pull off a Hope Spot.

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Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6182: Feb 17th 2014 at 7:52:57 PM

Actually, the climax is over the moment the hero has the advantage, unless you pull off a Hope Spot.

Thats what is going to be Obito's show up only to be subverted, Nagato faced with his own mortality will think Tobi/Madara/Obito is there to help only for the man to declare he is fetching those eyes so the Tension starts now that the objective has gone from: Capture/Murder Nagato to Protect Nagato.

Tobi will either have Danzo's arm which grants him a few 1 ups or Hashirama's super regen (not both that would be brutally broken as if having two Izanagi's wasnt)

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#6183: Feb 17th 2014 at 8:10:11 PM

[up] and [up][up] *pokes you* https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9769328/1/More-Shocking-Than-Lightning ill just leave this here...... Lol good genderben madara and izuna fic

~insert witty comment here~
Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6184: Feb 17th 2014 at 8:22:33 PM

GAH wall of text! everybody Evasive maneouvers! it's a huge wall of text! this is not a drill! i repeat this is not a drill! it's a giant wall of text!

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#6186: Feb 17th 2014 at 11:17:02 PM

[up][up]The law of grammar irony. Do you know of it?

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#6187: Feb 18th 2014 at 2:10:41 AM

@Duncan 0 Idaho: You know, Danzo's arm is only useful until someone cuts it off. Without that arm, reality warping is no longer a free action.

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#6189: Feb 18th 2014 at 4:14:21 AM

[up][up] unless Izanagi is already active. In which case, it still works while severed (according to 477).

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6190: Feb 18th 2014 at 8:33:31 AM

What i meant is this:

Posibility A) Obito injects himself with Senju cells and gets super regen like madara does (no rinnegan because i am not sure if Obito got an EMS or an standard MS)

Posibility B) Obito cuts Danzo's arm off and then replaces his own arm with danzo's.

I would use one or the other, both is pretty broken.

edited 18th Feb '14 9:36:07 AM by Duncan0Idaho

Kaitenhammer Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#6191: Feb 18th 2014 at 9:43:21 AM

[up]Remember Tobi's Izanagi in fight with Konan lasted 15 minutes, so he will have 2,5 hours of constant respawns if he gets Danzo's arm. And Obito already has Senju cells in form of Zetsu.

Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6192: Feb 18th 2014 at 9:47:23 AM

You have a point but there is no regeneration from wounds as the chapter where Kakashi shoves a raikiri through Obito's chest he still had that hole, it seems Zetsu is suplementing Obito's life and acting as what his non crushed side should act if it werent, well crushed.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#6193: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:05:19 AM

That was a Genjutsu, IIRC.

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Duncan0Idaho Since: Aug, 2012
#6194: Feb 18th 2014 at 10:32:10 AM

That was a Genjutsu, IIRC.

Edit, yes you are right, chapter 636 page 5, still he does not has the regeneration abilities of Madara, page 15 shows that Obito was raikiri'ed on his chest and still had the wound, said wound disapears only after he became the Juubi Jinchuriki.

edited 18th Feb '14 10:44:57 AM by Duncan0Idaho

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#6195: Feb 18th 2014 at 11:32:16 AM

@ Randoma Nama:

In my opinion, having Shikamaru and Chouji be Sane Men is a good idea. Not only do they get more spotlight (guess who my favourite characters are), but you can have a good excuse when they don't help Sakura, while keeping them in character ("Shika said it was too bothersome, and that you'll be okay on your own. I trust him, so decided to get some more training. I know a delicious takoyaki technique now!").

Not only that, you will have a good source of Deus ex Machina, should you ever need one. And it will also be in character, without making "sane" characters sue ("Oh, that? I figured things would lead to something that bothersome, so decided to have a solution ready"). Although, I think it would work only once or twice.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#6196: Feb 18th 2014 at 1:01:29 PM

In defense of Yu Yu Hakusho, I hope you meant the Time Skip and not Yusuke losing the final fight with Yomi.

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#6197: Feb 18th 2014 at 3:10:59 PM

[up]*6 I always thought it's just that he kept himself intangible as long as possible. Then got exploded and revived with Izanagi. Then kept himself intangible again. The Izanagi itself only had to last long enough for him to revive and go intangible again.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#6198: Feb 18th 2014 at 3:54:32 PM

Either that or he revived himself after Konan's technique was over. The Izanagi is amazingly overpowered, and it's power is described as rejecting reality and substituting your own. It really should have a lot more uses than preventing yourself from dying or ressing yourself when you do die. It's reality warping power, and they can't figure out any use for it other than 'revive myself when killed'!

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#6199: Feb 18th 2014 at 3:56:15 PM

Speaking of intangible, I would have sworn they said Obito's "intangibility" was actually him hiding in another dimension. How does that have a time limit on it?

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#6200: Feb 18th 2014 at 4:38:41 PM

Dude's gotta eat and drink.

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