Could work, it would not change much from what i had in mind, Hiruzen still sends an ANBU to see if Hiashi is being too demanding and overbearing on her as her mindscape reflected and then he can have Naruto move him to the dreams of Hiashi to have a chat with him and i would still have the dungeon.
He would still remove both of them from the clan until Hiashi gets his head on the right place.
why dungeons/mazes, etc.? it's part of a tribute i wish to make to Alundra I despite the one shot being inspired by Nightmare on the Elm street and Freddy Kruegger/Krugger whatever his name is spelled i felt it had a lot in comon with that game, so really truamtized people will indeed have a very altered mindscape.
Hmm what kind of dungeon could work for Hiashi? difficult, he is an overbearing man, so i have to make his mindscape reflect that, he is also strict, i could borrow elements from Persona 4 to shape them.
Haku who will be female for purposes regarding Sasuke will have a frozen palace as her mindscape one that reflects beauty and sadness, it snows constantly as her tears might have frozen but they never ran out.
Any ideas?
edited 14th Feb '14 7:34:20 PM by Duncan0Idaho
Right a ground rule is that the more damaged the mind of a person the more complex the dungeon is it can be either looks or the puzzles in itself, the black and white gives me an idea, how about a nearly endless corridor? whenever Naruto and Hiruzen reach the exit the corridor extends itself kinda like in silent hill downpour or Mario 64 the trick to Hiashi's mind defenses is not going foward but by 'cheating it' AKA doing something illogical.
Compare wendell's dream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97miBxPE6gs
to Kleine's dream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFwO5skZJL8
edited 14th Feb '14 7:43:49 PM by Duncan0Idaho
Good point i was thinking more along the lines of the shock of Naruto doing something Naruto'ish would make the mind of the man break for a few minutes allowing them to finally reach the inner Hiashi.
Also this will be Haku's dungeon theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUL8twIpT1U
it's a beautiful melody.
Cant think of anything else, any one is free to pitch their own ideas.
edited 14th Feb '14 8:24:05 PM by Duncan0Idaho
Not random Humor, more like something that only Naruto can think off, like say if the door is moving away from us then why not propel ourselves to it? it's a dream world, here explosion dont kill you unless you really believe so, so set an explosion that will throw us to the door, the Hokage can summon Enma so why not use his adamantine staff form if it can extend to hold onto the door?
Most people would either try to figure a pattern to it or something like that, Naruto is all about outside the box.
The way the mindscape works are like defenses, obstacles placed to hamper the way some one can access the inner most self.
edited 14th Feb '14 8:50:05 PM by Duncan0Idaho
1.True, I was thinking to reflect one of the posibilites in the dialog it would be spontaneous idea that Naruto came up with on the spot, like when he was with the Rasengan, Jiraiya tells him that he can see left and right at the same time and he winds up using the shadow clones to form the rasengan (or so i recall i need to find that chapter again) something like that, like the sandaime at one point growing irritated muttering how he wished for an explosive tag and naruto the has the Eureka moment.
2. yes trial and error are well known to him he would use them to figure the rules of the corridor
Your third point made me remember that in order for people to throw ideas they need to be aware of how i am handling this mind constructs:
- They are not born from a concious mind.
- They obey a set of rules, the rules do not vary (for my sake they will not mutate, it was annoying when persona 4 pulled one of those once otherwise it would be me doing killer game master)
- They are linked to the personality of some one.
- The person has no idea that they have such a thing inside their minds.
Going by those simple rules if the rule says 'walking to the door will make it move away' then being propelled wont.
edited 14th Feb '14 9:11:21 PM by Duncan0Idaho
I'm not thinking of it as a concious construct, I'm just stuck on how absurd it is one forward motion to work differently than another forward motion. In both you're physically moving forward, or at least as physical as you can get in a mind, one by foot and one by explosion but explosion propulsion works why? There's no extreme difference between explosion propulsion and running in terms of actual movement. It just seems really weird that one would work while the other would not, it's illogical.
Well i can always change the way the puzzle works given that i am not copy pasting the downpour solution (basically since the door and stairs were infinite the protagonist simply had to go down the stairs to exit, because the protagonist wanted the easy exit to all his problems, which SH denied so he has to work his way up his problems), ignore my edit also, i was thinking along the lines of finding loopholes, the loophole would be in walking if you are propelled you are not technically walking.
I could borrow inspiration from the shadow temple and bottom of the well from ocarina of time, given the all seing propieties and X-ray capabilities of the byakugan i could have rooms in black and white with no apparent exit but there is one, a number of walls are genjutsus i could use the symbol of the brand to estructure the dungeon and them having to work on each of the arms to reach the center.
Or if i go with your suggestion ironypus i have a different idea, the door is a mere illusion, it moves away from you because it's tricking your senses you need to find the real door thats in the corridor, the trick is that the illusion will have you thinking that you are walking but in reality you are still stuck on the same spot.
Haku's dungeon it would have to do with ice, i need to check the ice mannor puzzle of Alundra, the ice cube puzzle of snow peak from twilight princess and the Majora's mask ice puzzle of the water temple oh and Kleine's dungeon puzzles too.
It's different from Hiashi as his mind is not that damaged, Haku wishes to hide her deepest feelings so the puzzles are meant to unlock a path
Heck i can turn wave onto an arc where Haku gets to know Sasuke and vice versa, his Katon jutsu would be perfect for some of the areas and it would show to them parts of her past, Sasuke would have found some one that understands him more or less.
Sasuke's would be possibly torture themed, in both ends, him being tortured and he torturing Itachi.
edited 14th Feb '14 9:49:13 PM by Duncan0Idaho
You know, this whole "mind dungeon" thing kind of reminds me of Zettai Hero Project, with their "Bizarro Earth" system.
Not that Bizarro Earth. The one in Zettai Hero Project was a parallel world orbiting on the exact opposite side of the sun that had counterparts to almost everyone on Earth. The citizens of Bizarro Earth were linked with their counterparts on Earth; if something happened to one, it influenced the other and vice-versa. Consequently, solving problems on Bizarro Earth would often resolve them on Earth. And if someone died on one, their counterpart would usually die on the other (on the other hand, if someone suffered a lethal injury on one, preventing the death of their counterpart would allow them to recover).
More to the point, sometimes issues on Bizarro Earth would manifest themselves as mental or relational issues on Earth and vice-versa.
edited 15th Feb '14 3:53:14 AM by Hyp3rB14d3
Yes i can see the paralels but Alundra was among the first ones to toy with the idea of dream based dungeons, the first if i am not mistaken was Terranigma.
And i've played ZHP but most of my inspiration comes from alundra, afterall if i am giving a set of tools to Naruto to access the mind and dreams of people i cannot make it so easy.
Any one can give me some feedback on the dungeon ideas i posted? Sasuke's it's going to be pretty sick to be honest, the kid as show in canon is not the most healthy of the people and so the whole idea of being the tortured then the torturer sprang out of his desire for revenge however he is still haunted by the Tsukuyomi of Itachi so in a sense Itachi continues to torture him.
From a technical standpoint the idea world A affects world B was pioneered by terranigma doing stuff in Ark's world would make continents raise on Earth.
edited 15th Feb '14 10:14:40 AM by Duncan0Idaho
hmmm ima attempt a ot3 style relationship deal for three characters in my story (one of the guys in it is narutos sensei sabiru) i don't wanna give away to much regarding the other two characters but their pretty much oc's with only one ever having any chance of actually existing in canon(the chick of the group)....since their ninja who could die at any time would it make sense for them to have casual relationships? i've seen it done before
~insert witty comment here~Gah dammit, i hate not being an artist, i was trying to use RPG maker 2k3 to make a rough map of how Haku's dungeon would look, but a) i the damn thing lacks of castle tiles beyond floor and walls and b) they cannot be recolored.
So if any one has any talent tell me, so far it's a mix of Kleine's nightmare of Alundra 1 and snowpeak mansion of TLOZ: Twilight Princess, it starts as the latter but quickly evolves to the second, the theme with Haku is ice, in order to progress Naruto and Sasuke will need to manipulate ice in many forms (dont worry there will be a tool, no random Hyouton ninjutsu) for example there is a door but it's flanked by a steel gate and there are two waterfalls powering a mechanism to keep the gate spinning.
Naruto will have to freeze the waterfalls at the right time to get the gate on the right position (as the thing is semi circular, like metroid prime 3 gates on the first world you visit post being corrupted) in case he fails Sasuke will melt them.
Ironypus pointed Naruto is not a practical problem solver the dungeons will fix that, they will all have puzzles that block the way towards the inner most person, going through them logically makes a person smarter.
Hiashi as i said will be illusion based with the shape of the Hyuga clan brand, Sarutobi and Naruto will need to figure which part of the rooms is fake in order to progress (as the illusion covers reality)
Hinata will not have a dungeon since the overbearingness of Hiashi has not been for long, nor Neiji as his whole fate crap has yet to really bloom.
Hiashi's wife will survive as i am planning on having Shizune at the scene to help (Shizune would take side jobs as a medic in order to help to cover the debts) so thats less on Hinata's shoulders in terms of burden once Sarutobi is done with the man.
One thing i am making clear is that the rookie pairings wont pop until Shippuden era, they are kids, they are just learning what life is romance is a bit far fetched in my opinion.
Here is a basic layour Naruto x Yakumo, Hinata x Chouji, Shikamaru x Temari, Tenten x Neiji, Kiba x Ino, Sasuke x Fem!Haku (inspired once again by a chapter of win some, lose some) Lee x Sakura, Iruka x Anko, Mizuki x Tsubaki, and Kakashi is undecided.
edited 15th Feb '14 7:12:56 PM by Duncan0Idaho
Bah AU/AD simple enough explanation Hau was concieved a day earlier than canon, a small detail that changed a lot of things, also you need to read that one shot to know what i plan to do with Haku.
@Scorpio there are a few of those, there is one where is an xover with assassins creed that has that happen, Haku eventually ends up changing wardrobe and gets a haircut.
edited 15th Feb '14 9:34:28 PM by Duncan0Idaho
You keep talking about this Haku as male when in the AU/Alternate Dimension (AD for short) Haku was born a different gender.
My bad it was not win some, lose some, it was leaf style Shinobi, the scene was so unique i wanted to adapt it, basically leaf style shinobi has Fem haku as a pervert, a very closet one until Sasuke enters the fray and after multiple dates they wind up falling for the other (over the years) one night when Itachi tried to Tsukuyomi Sasuke he got a fistfull of Sasuke in a Sailor moon costume repeating the oath of sailor moon, the thing was so horrible for Itachi that it broke his mind, burned his MS and put him in a permanent coma.
Plus most typicals fem haku pairings are with Naruto who altho a nice guy really cannot understand Haku as he was too young to remember his parents deaths and on the other hand Sasuke indeed went through something similar to Haku only in a higher scale so at least both of them can comprehend the other.
I am well aware that it's cliche too but i simply would like to write that as tribute to a fic that still makes me laugh, the Jiraiya omake showing that man can make NYMPHS fall unconcious and still be able to move at the next day is hillarious or the chapter where Saurotbi eats a chakra fruit and winds up pretty high while becoming faster than rail canon bullet beating both Edo Kage's and giving Orochimaru the beating of his life.
edited 15th Feb '14 9:57:52 PM by Duncan0Idaho
Actually, Haku literally killed his own father as a young child in self-defense after watching him murder his mother for having a bloodline. So yeah, that's a bit of a different animal there. At least Sasuke didn't kill his own parents. Itachi did that for him.
Did I mention the Land of Water was freaking messed up?
edited 15th Feb '14 9:56:56 PM by ScorpioRat

Having the overbearing and demanding father she has in canon, it's not like Hiashi's abusive he's just kind of a dick. For what possible sodding purpose could he have to constantly undermine her confidence like that? To make her stronger? Even in canon he's not that dumb as to realise that sort of thing never works and to ignore the rather large selection sample of evidence against his methods eg. the rest of Konoha.