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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#46176: Dec 24th 2019 at 11:45:53 AM

That's why I call Tobias Elastic Man.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46177: Dec 24th 2019 at 12:11:54 PM

Not really Death Battle but:

     

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46178: Dec 25th 2019 at 7:44:05 AM

I'm browsing the Watchmen character page and I'm looking at Dr. Manhattan's section... and I get to thinking, you see, I get to thinking who would make a good opponent for this guy?

At first I think

     

VEGITO BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Then I think:

     

"Frankly. It's as if there's a god existing in that body."

  • Superhero bald-men
  • So powerful they can't be stopped
  • Losing touch with their humanity
  • Well-known celebrity (Manhattan) vs Almighty Janitor (Saitama)
  • Gaudy superhero titles
  • tendency to make enemies explode
  • nobody has any clue how their powers work

And I keep on thinking

     

  • immortal
  • telekinetic/psionic abilities
  • frequently used to create/break down matter or to change size
  • they're f-cking blue ok?

Edited by Soble on Dec 25th 2019 at 7:50:28 AM

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#46179: Dec 25th 2019 at 9:43:22 AM

Here's the problem, though: do any of them have a hard counter to Manhattan's omniscience?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46180: Dec 25th 2019 at 10:16:52 AM

Easy: Manhattan just lets things happen when he doesn't see a point to stopping them.

  • He doesn't stop Comedian from shooting a pregnant woman, and is even called out on this - he was perfectly capable of stopping this event but allowed it anyway
  • Veidt is able to get the drop on Manhattan using tachyons - Jon should have known this was coming but doesn't
  • I'm told that in the TV show some baddies came up with a kind of teleporting gun to get rid of Manhattan, and he does precious little to stop them from using it and, even when he does, gets hit by it regardless

His omniscience is Blessed with Suck. He can know what you're doing, when you were going to show up, and what you were going to say, but he's not necessarily going to act on it. It doesn't really give him any advantage.

If the script says "opponent will punch Dr. Manhattan and kill him" then in more cases than not it seems Manhattan will let himself be punched. He's like The Outsider from Dishonored - self-preservation isn't high on his to-do-list.

Edited by Soble on Dec 28th 2019 at 2:52:10 AM

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#46181: Dec 26th 2019 at 2:57:41 PM

Hector (Castlevania: Curse of Darkness) vs Sieg (Chaos Legion).

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#46182: Dec 28th 2019 at 11:00:30 AM

I reckon that the Bard could slot into that particular niche, too.

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#46183: Dec 28th 2019 at 1:11:53 PM

All three are from the PS 2 era too. Good fit all around.

Probably have to give it to the Chaos Legion guy though.

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#46184: Dec 28th 2019 at 1:29:45 PM

Veidt is able to get the drop on Manhattan using tachyons - Jon should have known this was coming but doesn't

Slight correction: Tachyons block Manhattan's prescience. It's the fact he can't tell what's going down in Antarctica that draws him there in the first place.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#46185: Dec 28th 2019 at 1:33:17 PM

So basically, using Tachyons to block Jon's prescience actually draws him to you since he'll immediately notice he can't see things (especially if he can tell where the Tachyons are coming from).

Kinda like a Revealing Cover-Up, where the attempt to avoid being found is what shows people that something is going on in the first place.

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#46186: Dec 28th 2019 at 1:56:25 PM

Well that and the giant murder squid.

He mentions a few times that his vision is clouded by Tachyons, but it's only when the Squid stuff goes down and he sees the ruined New York that he then cares about the source of the Tachyons.

EDIT: I'd also point out that Manhattan not stopping that woman from getting shot is before his revelation at the end of the book, where he stops seeing humans as unimportant insects and come to cherish that every human life is special. End of the comic Dr. Manhattan is less jaded and less passive than he is at the start of the book.

Edited by Ghilz on Dec 28th 2019 at 5:18:41 AM

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#46187: Dec 28th 2019 at 2:21:09 PM

I haven't read Doomsday Clock, but isn't it revealed that Doctor Manhattan was responsible for creating the DCU (or at the very least, was responsible for a few universe reboots)? Because I think that means he's at least Universe-level scale.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#46188: Dec 28th 2019 at 2:21:41 PM

Oh right. The other hard part about Jon is getting him to care enough to do anything.

So blocking him with Tachyons does prevent him from seeing what you are doing....but when you think about it my earlier point stands.

If you're going to the trouble to prevent Jon from seeing what you are doing, that means you think he'd care enough to stop you, which again lets him know this is something important and where to go.

But I admit that's a bit of a toss up. Jon caring or not is something that's difficult to determine. So you can take the risk, not use Tachyons and hope he just sits on his ass doing nothing, or use Tachyons and clue him in that you are doing something that you think he wouldn't like and risk him doing something.

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#46189: Dec 28th 2019 at 2:24:41 PM

Getting him to care is admittedly less an issue since his whole character arc is him learning to care again.

Though it also ends with his own realization that he can't stick around.

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#46190: Dec 29th 2019 at 12:59:54 AM

Can Fire Emblem be used?

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#46191: Dec 29th 2019 at 2:51:52 AM

[up] Sure, I don't see why not. Marth was even brought up by Sam in the reddit QA as someone who could totally work if they put their minds to it.

As a huge FE nut, though, I definitely would say some characters are infinitely more workable than others. The ones I'd say could and should be used are essentially all the ones in Smash (Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina, Robin, Corrin, Chrom, maybe Lyn) and perhaps the new Three Houses main characters Byleth, Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude. Reason being that those listed have a decent amount of on-screen feats to draw from, can be scaled to some stuff reasonably, are popular, and have accessible models/sprites to use.

When you get into someone like Sigurd, or even Hector, it might be an issue for DB due to lack of footage, clear feats, and models/sprites. So thats why I'd only say the Smash characters + the new 3 Houses characters would feasibly work. (For the record: All the Smash roster and 3 Houses guys obviously have high quality models, but Marth also has SSF 2 sprites, Roy and Lyn have some good mugen sprites, and Lucina and Chrom have Project X Zone 2 sprites.)

Edited by LozMN on Dec 29th 2019 at 2:54:35 AM

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#46192: Dec 29th 2019 at 7:59:38 AM

On a related note, I heard that Ganondorf vs Dracula was supposed to happen back in Season 3 (instead of Bowser vs Ganondorf), and I'm happy that they waited until Dracula got some good 3D models to do it.

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#46193: Dec 29th 2019 at 8:09:27 AM

One of my friends really likes the idea of Takumi from Fates vs Hanzo from Overwatch.

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#46194: Dec 29th 2019 at 8:55:48 AM

My first foray into VS match discussions was the old Grudge Match website. So I decided to check the archive and see what matches they've done featuring characters that have also appeared on Death Battle. Some of them would make good match-ups, others... not so much:

But yeah, what do you think of these match-ups? If Death Battle were to do some of them, which ones would you want to see? Which ones do you think wouldn't work?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 29th 2019 at 11:58:23 AM

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#46195: Dec 29th 2019 at 8:59:27 AM

I think the trouble with Fire Emblem characters is the same problem that plagues a lot of RPG games: in terms of comparative analysis to other series, it's difficult to really analyze feats/stats/etc. from "Moves 5 squares per turn, has 22 Strength, can spend 3 weapon durability to do a super attack for +4 damage."

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#46196: Dec 29th 2019 at 9:42:03 AM

A four-way fight between the live-action Batman at the time

Aren't Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney's Batmen the same?

LozMN Makispouse from Otonokizaka High Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#46197: Dec 29th 2019 at 12:22:51 PM

I think the trouble with Fire Emblem characters is the same problem that plagues a lot of RPG games: in terms of comparative analysis to other series, it's difficult to really analyze feats/stats/etc. from "Moves 5 squares per turn, has 22 Strength, can spend 3 weapon durability to do a super attack for +4 damage."

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. That's why the characters in Smash are the ones who can work, they're the ones who have more appearances overall than the rest. For example: It's really hard to gauge Marth from just his games alone, but he has appeared in crossovers like Codename Steam and FE Warriors, the latter of which giving him a clear speed feat that can be used. The same goes for Lyn.

In 3 Houses, we actually get pretty clear feats for at least Edelgard, Byleth and Dimitri, what with The Slitherers Missiles and Rhea's dragon form. Rhea clearly tanks two missiles in Golden Deer and Church, and in other instances we clearly see that these missiles can wipe out entire small cities. Edelgard and Byleth ultimately kill Rhea in Black Eagles with a combined physical strike to her, and Dimitri is constantly said to be the strongest person in the game. Byleth also has other feats like cutting out of another dimension, and you could probably just get their speed from the usual bolting feats.

Then you have Roy who has an entire manga adaptation that could be used and in fact gives him some pretty substantial feats, including what I personally think is the best basis to scale the Binding Blade to.

Edited by LozMN on Dec 29th 2019 at 12:25:29 PM

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#46198: Dec 29th 2019 at 12:45:28 PM

Roy would likely be the prime candidate for Death Battle because he's popular, in smash and has a manga adaption.

I also wouldn't mind seeing him get mauled so it's a win-win.

Ironically despite how awesome he's made out to be he's considered one of the weakest lords in the series.

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#46199: Dec 29th 2019 at 1:09:10 PM

Doesn't Marth also have an anime adaptation?

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#46200: Dec 29th 2019 at 1:11:08 PM

It's a two episode OVA that doesn't get past the "Saved one dirt farming village from ugly bandits" stage of the war. Not the best resource.

I rented that thing on VHS long before I ever played any of the FE games. Weird.

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