DEATH BATTLE

Also no one on Avatar has ever made ice on screen on the scale Todoroki does casually. Heck, goes the same with flames too, baring the Sozin's comets fights.

Fight looks cool, but the slow framerate reminds me of that awful Saitama vs Kenshiro DBX.

Some characters in Avatar can fire lightning bolts from their fingertips. Actual lightning, as in, Zuko goes out during a legit thunderstorm to practice being hit by one (specifically, how to reflect it).

Edited by JonnasN on Dec 12th 2019 at 8:30:31 PM

Zuko breaks out of ice when Katara traps him in it at the end of the first arc, where the Fire nation attacks that water tribe city. Katara was even powered by the full moon at the time.

That is not even close to what Todoroki generates in ice though. Remember when he all but filled a stadium with ice ? Or froze an entire building with just a touch. Even giving Zuko a faster reaction time, Todoroki's powers have such range and magnitude that there's alot Zuko can't actually dodge.

Edited by Ghilz on Dec 12th 2019 at 4:42:47 AM

I dont actually know a thing about MHA, but that is the one time I can remember Zuko breaking out of ice which is what was asked

...I don't remember that. Huh. That's really interesting.

My biggest memory of a firebender trapped in ice is from the finale. Katara traps Azula in ice and, for all intents and purposes, she's done. Once she's encased in ice, Azula is completely and utterly defeated. Katara's able to swim through the ice to cuff Azula's hands to the grate beneath them and Azula is totally powerless to stop her.

The ice even stops Azula from lightningbending for some reason. When Katara surprises her with the attack, Azula's frozen in her lightning pose. The two fingers she uses to project her lightning are inches from Katara's face. If Katara had been a millisecond later, she'd be dead. But because Azula's trapped in the ice, she isn't able to fire the attack.

Being frozen in ice destroys Azula. And it's hammered in repeatedly through the series that Azula is a significantly more powerful, dangerous, and capable firebender than Zuko.

Now. There are mitigating factors, but for both Azula and Zuko. For one, Azula is in the midst of an emotional meltdown when this happens. She's explicitly stated to not be on her A-game. It's both stated by Zuko and then shortly after demonstrated that Azula's psychological instability has weakened her to the point that Zuko feels very comfortable with his chances of taking her in a 1v1 duel.

However, when I say "the point that Zuko can take her", it should also be noted that Zuko is more formidable here than he was during the Northern Water Tribe invasion. He's learned true firebending from the original masters and has since been holding his own against Azula pretty well without her psychological handicap.

So since the Northern Water Tribe Invasion, True Fire Master Zuko has risen in his abilities to near Prodigy Azula's level, then Unstable Firelord Azula sank beneath True Fire Master Zuko's level. so it's really unclear how Unstable Firelord Azula would compare in ability to BUT MUH HONOR Zuko.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 12th 2019 at 2:49:00 AM

The giant ice in question.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 12th 2019 at 1:49:52 AM

Also this

Zuko wasn't trapped to the extent Azula was there and Iroh taught him how to maintain his body temperature in cold temperatures, which is why he was able to steam his way out once morning came. The latter comes up again when he's place in the freezer during the events of Boiling Rock, so I guess it's not common knowledge among Firebenders.

Edited by Cross on Dec 12th 2019 at 6:00:34 AM

Plus Waterbending is stronger at night and Firebending is stronger in the day. At night Zuko couldn't escape due to Katara being more powerful, but come dawn their positions were reversed.

Of course, Sozin’s Comet was in the area while the Azula fight was going on, so I think she would be able to break out anyway.

Also keep in mind that Katara is a much more capable water bender in Season 3 than she is in Season One

If anything I'd argue Katara in season 3 is a better Waterbender than Zuko is a Firebender.

Bayonetta vs Gene (God Hand). Action protagonists from humorous video games and with a touch of divinity in them.

Trap-making is a craft that these two sadistic, relentless monsters have honed and turned into a weapon against society's worst members. But today their attention is on each other. Whose keen eye for setting skulls ablaze, evading law enforcement, and duping people into hurting themselves will prevail?

VS

• Both have experience making twisted, pathologically-complicated traps
• Both torment their pursuers through traps and misdirection
• Their trap artistry began due to a callous act of negligence
• Both target Jerkass Victims
• Both have seemingly had their gruesome work continued by copycats Alex Pruitt, Finn Baxter in Home Alone 3 and 5; Amanda Young, Alex Hoffman, Logan Nelson, etc.
• The video that inspired this - Theory: Kevin becomes the Jigsaw Killer

Edited by Soble on Dec 15th 2019 at 8:24:41 AM

Kevin wins.

Jigsaw's traps require extensive advance research of his target, and his target has to be carried into them unconscious. He thrives on creating a very controlled environment; the target awakens in a specific location and encounters specific things in a specific order, all tailored to their exact identity.

Kevin's traps are much more general-purpose. He barricades a single location from intrusion from any direction, regardless of the person intruding. He doesn't need to get to know Harry and Marv; his traps are designed to beat the shit out of anyone, period. Kevin doesn't have to control the environment and approach; he just rigs everything, in every direction, to kill anyone, period.

As Home Alone 2 shows us, he doesn't even have to know the location. He is a master at filling any place with death at any time.

Even setting aside that Kevin is young and energetic while Jigsaw is a cancer-ridden old man, Kevin will be much more capable of killing Jigsaw with his traps than Jigsaw is of killing Kevin.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 15th 2019 at 9:02:03 AM

'd.

I guess Jigsaw shouldn't have been left home alone without Life Alert.

The winner is Kevin.

Edited by Soble on Dec 15th 2019 at 8:24:17 AM

I never got how a cancer-ridden old man managed get the funding and supplies, build all those elaborate traps, get the information on which victims to punish, and kidnap said victims.

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 15th 2019 at 11:18:49 AM

https://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2019/12/death-battle-predictions-all-might-vs.html

Prediction blog out.

All 7 of them in favor of Guy.

There’s just something so amusing of the idea that Guy might actually score a win while Sasuke took an L.

The funnier thing is that out of all the evil shit Sasuke did he died because he told some dude he was trespassing.

Edited by JRads47 on Dec 15th 2019 at 3:21:26 PM

I both love and hate Kevin’s Memetic Psychopath reputation these days.

We saw Marv's skeleton, dude. That much electrical power goes beyond "disabling" them.

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 15th 2019 at 3:39:15 AM

Except of course that it did just disable him. Work of fiction, and all.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 15th 2019 at 5:36:12 AM