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Not Magnesis, I was referring to how perfectly-timed parries can knock the weapons out of enemy hands and Link can grab them out of the air afterwards.
That does make me wonder, does Cloud need the Buster Sword to cast spells or does it not matter as long as he has Materia on him somewhere?
Its very arbitrary when that works and for which enemies. Seems hugely disingenuous to base a whole decision around. And moot, given Cloud is so much stronger than Link, he could just kick his head in while Link tries to wield the Buster sword.
Edited by qwigly on Jun 11th 2019 at 6:28:41 AM
Not if Link uses Stasis on the Sword, then there's nothing Cloud can really do about it.
By that logic can't Cloud cast stop on Link for the same effect?
True, but generally speaking Cloud has to stand still to cast stuff and it takes a bit of time while Link can throw out Statis pretty quickly.
Thats gameplay. Does he need to be standing still to cast stop in the anime?
And its still not adressing Cloud could just kick Links head off if Link tries to stasis his sword. Hell, Cloud could just crush the slate in his fist while Link is trying to use it.
Besides, the best case scenario here is that if Link can somehow disarm Cloud, and then uses Stasis on his sword, that buys Link maybe 6 seconds where Cloud is not presently caving in Links skull.
Edited by qwigly on Jun 11th 2019 at 7:01:04 AM
A problem I have with Link vs Cloud is Link was composite version of several different characters with the Link name. For example, Ocarina of Time Link is not Twilight Princess Link. In fact, he shows up in Twilight Princess as the Hero's Shade. Also, they used fucking Z Targeting.
Cloud can actually attack Link from afar with Meteorain, Finishing Touch, Bladebeam, and Cherry Blossom if he wants to. Cloud doesn't just use that last move in tactics. He uses it in Dissidia NT as well. Cloud is also shown basically flash stepping during one his attack bits in the latest remake trailer. If I have time I may upload it on You Tube.
Edited by ImmaLelouch on Jun 11th 2019 at 10:30:55 AM
Based on the result for Mitsuru Vs Weiss I can See Yang Vs Tifa being remade, too.
So raw destructive power, speed, and durability are all grossly in Cloud's favor... hey, that's the stat trinity isn't it?
A composite Link would have a lot of methods for stalling, but that's about it. Doesn't seem like any given individual Link would stand a chance. Well... Maybe that one...
There's a lot of weird shit in that one. Like translating the gauntlets' lifting power into Link's endurance. Which is never a thing that's illustrated by either gameplay or story stuff in Zelda. And even if it was, it's a shallow comparison when the opponent's weapon has a blade?
Some of the bullet points are also weird, like the one claiming Jenova's cells make Cloud more vulnerable to the master sword. Which is stretching it. Oh and Z-Targeting?
But even then, their own analysis gives Cloud the Ribbon, which renders him immune to all status effect. And they also based themselves on Dissidia for his spell (where Fire is a projectile, and he has no cast time), so neither of those are an issue by going by DB's own analysis.
And heck, they also gave Link the ability to use the medallions on the fly, despite them having a cast animation and cast time.
Edited by Ghilz on Jun 11th 2019 at 10:28:25 AM
The Link that probably does defeat Cloud though is Majora's Mask Link with the Fierce Deity Mask. You know that moon in the game? In Zelda Musou/Hyrule Warriors, he cuts it in half as part of his ultimate attack.
Should be pointed out that the moon in Majora's mask is only 252ft in Diameter :-P
You guys do remember supernova right? You know that giant exploding Sun? That Cloud survives being hit by. Link has no chance.
@Nes Classic Seems Cloud just needs Materia to cast Magic. In Dissidia games, he casts the fire spells from his bare hands. In game story though for FFVII, the two hole slots in the Buster Sword are for Materia. But if anything, Cloud should be using his Six Fusion Swords.
Problem with the Supernova.
1. It can't kill anyone in the party. The only time it can kill is in games like Dissidia.
2. Yazoo's bullets are enough to kill Cloud. First hit injures him in the head at the start of Advent Children. Last hit severely injured him, and Yazoo and Loz suiciding bombing with Materia would have killed Cloud without Aerith's help. If he could tank a Supernova, he'd tank that shit.
But Death Battle thinks Sephiroth is really putting the full force of a Supernova on his enemies, so...
Edited by ImmaLelouch on Jun 11th 2019 at 11:03:05 AM
Cloud being worn out from fighting Sephiroth himself having his guard completely let down had a lot to do with why that shot was fatal. And that's not even getting into the fact that Yazoo himself was born from Sephiroth, so it's not like he was some rando.
Isn't Hyrule Heroes on level with Smash Bros for being super not canon?
If a Death Battle should be remade, it should be Rogue vs Wonder Woman. Yes, Rogue draining is a powerful ability, but it's an instant GG/Good Game ability. Not to mention Wondy's ridiculous speed feat they used for Thor vs Wondy.
Add Gaara vs Toph while we're at it.
Edited by ImmaLelouch on Jun 11th 2019 at 11:14:08 AM
Word of God says it takes place in a different dimension, but said dimension is still linked to the main timeline in some way.
So it's... sorta canon? Either it's a carbon copy of the original timeline, or it's an alternate dimension Link interacting with main-timeline characters.
For what it's worth, I've heard people on this thread speculate Thor VS Wonder Woman was made mainly to give Diana her fair due in a more thematically-appropriate fight. Likewise for Thor, but that's going in the opposite direction for him.
Edited by NesClassic on Jun 11th 2019 at 8:14:22 AM
@Imma Lelouch: Stop with the double posting.
I definitely feel like Warriors Link has a fighting chance against Cloud. Botw link not so much, although he could conceivably delay him for awhile.
HH being a parralel dimension breaks even the tenuous justification given for compositing all Links, since its another dimension, not reincarnations. At that point, you'd need to also give Cloud his Kingdom Hearts stuff, so hes level with Sora.
Re. Supernova, as was discussed with Sephiroth's rundown it can kill in the original Japanese version of the game, but was changed to deal gravity-based damage in the international version. Dissidia's version is patterned after the original iteration of the attack, with the math formulas from the international version thrown in for added measure.
Hyrule Warriors is one of the only games in the series to reference Link and Ganondorf reincarnating, outright stating Link to be an incarnation of the Hero of Legend. Plus, Ganondorf is depicted in silhouette as his Ocarina of Time self in a flashback.
Edited by Arawn999 on Jun 11th 2019 at 9:45:59 AM
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